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Adam and Eve

night912

Well-Known Member
Is saying "I believe" to make a claim?
Are your beliefs true or not true? If it's not the truth, then why hold on to those beliefs? But if you believe that they are the truth and stating it to others, then you ARE making a claim. It doesn't matter if you say, "I believe...." You are in fact making a statement about reality, and what's true about it.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
We do not know that Adam was formed 6,000 years ago either. We do not know if Adam was a real person. There is no criteria that says a Christian has to view the Bible literally...............
Not all of the Bible is literal as we can read at Revelation 1:1
In Scripture, Adam was related to Jesus thus making Jesus also a real person - Luke 3:38 B
Luke could have gotten his genealogical account, or Jewish ancestral list, from the public temple records.
Public records starting at 1 Chronicles 1:1 stating that Adam as a real person.
So, to me if Adam is Not real, then Jesus is Not real, and then there are No real Christians.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Interesting point. Missed not replying to it, got busy in something else, though I wanted to reply.
"Me", "I" is the name of a working machine. When the machine stops working, there is no "Me" or "I". Nothing remains of "Me" or "I".
What remains of the machine is scrap, bury it, burn it, nature will (chemically) recycle it. "Me" or "I" are nothing permanent. They are created by evolution in mind to safe-guard sustain the machine till that can be done.

We (all living forms), essentially, are a bunch of molecules which act in cohesion. Evolution has designed compulsions for the seeds of these forms to come together and grow. Natures purpose is served when these forms have given rise to their young. in many species, the males die immediately after impregnating their females (some are even eaten up by the females) or after females release the eggs or young from their womb (as the salmon do).

We term this process as birth and death. However, at birth, no new atom or molecule is created; or at death, no old atom or molecule is destroyed. "We" are a creation of our brain.

"Except for a few primitive organisms such as sponges (which have no nervous system) and cnidarians (which have a nervous system consisting of a diffuse nerve net), all living multicellular animals are bilaterians, meaning animals with a bilaterally symmetric body shape (that is, left and right sides that are approximate mirror images of each other). All bilaterians are thought to have descended from a common ancestor that appeared early in the Cambrian period, 485-540 million years ago, and it has been hypothesized that this common ancestor had the shape of a simple tubeworm with a segmented body. At a schematic level, that basic worm-shape continues to be reflected in the body and nervous system architecture of all modern bilaterians, including vertebrates. The fundamental bilateral body form is a tube with a hollow gut cavity running from the mouth to the anus, and a nerve cord with an enlargement (a ganglion) for each body segment, with an especially large ganglion at the front, called the brain. The brain is small and simple in some species, such as nematode worms; in other species, including vertebrates, it is the most complex organ in the body. Some types of worms, such as leeches, also have an enlarged ganglion at the back end of the nerve cord, known as a "tail brain"."
Brain - Wikipedia
Thank you for your reply.
I never heard ' common ancestor...... simple tubeworm.....'
Nevertheless, to me life does Not come from non-life.
Even a simple tubeworm, etc. to me did Not come from non-life.

Sure, God could have used evolution is some lower life forms, but in Scripture God did Not evolve man but rather He formed or He fashioned man from the dust of the ground - Genesis 2:7; 3:19
Man did Not come to life until God breathed 'the breath of life' into lifeless Adam.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Thank you for your reply.
I never heard ' common ancestor...... simple tubeworm.....'
Nevertheless, to me life does Not come from non-life.
Even a simple tubeworm, etc. to me did Not come from non-life.

Sure, God could have used evolution is some lower life forms, but in Scripture God did Not evolve man but rather He formed or He fashioned man from the dust of the ground - Genesis 2:7; 3:19
Man did Not come to life until God breathed 'the breath of life' into lifeless Adam.
Life does not come from nonlife now. Why assume that was always the case?
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
And "Eve" means "source of life" from the Hebrew.
I read that the Hebrew word Chayah' is a verb for: 'live', so Eve would be: Living One.
Adam called his wife ishshah' ( woman or female man )
In Scripture I find Adam did Not call his wife 'Eve' until 'after' they violated God's Law.
Called Eve because she would be the 'mother' of everyone living - Genesis 3:20
Since the word 'father' means 'Life Giver' so, Adam then would be more the source of life, the giver of life.
 

Dan From Smithville

What's up Doc?
Staff member
Premium Member
Not all of the Bible is literal as we can read at Revelation 1:1
In Scripture, Adam was related to Jesus thus making Jesus also a real person - Luke 3:38 B
Luke could have gotten his genealogical account, or Jewish ancestral list, from the public temple records.
Public records starting at 1 Chronicles 1:1 stating that Adam as a real person.
So, to me if Adam is Not real, then Jesus is Not real, and then there are No real Christians.
That is a weird and untenable claim. Adam does not have to have been an actual person for Jesus to have existed. Where are you getting this?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
That is a weird and untenable claim. Adam does not have to have been an actual person for Jesus to have existed. Where are you getting this?
"Logic" was missing entirely from that post. It is rather amazing that literalists cannot see how the Adam and Eve myth paints God as being incompetent and unjust. Literalists should be thankful that their beliefs are wrong.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
I never heard ' common ancestor...... simple tubeworm.....'
Even a simple tubeworm, etc. to me did Not come from non-life.
You would have remembered if you did not forget all that you were taught in the school.
Yeah, tube worms did not arise when any God clapped his hands. Here is the ancestry of tube worms: Kingdom: Animalia; Superphylum: Lophotrochozoa; Class: Tentaculita; Sub-class: Chonioconarida, Orders: Cornulitida, Microconchida, Tentaculitida, Trypanoporida; Genera: Anticalyptraea

Palaeoconchus angulatus on a brachiopod from the Middle Devonian (Givetian) of Michigan (387.7 to 382.7 million years ago).
220px-MicroconchidDevonianPotterFarm082111.jpg
 

Dan From Smithville

What's up Doc?
Staff member
Premium Member
"Logic" was missing entirely from that post. It is rather amazing that literalists cannot see how the Adam and Eve myth paints God as being incompetent and unjust. Literalists should be thankful that their beliefs are wrong.
Logic often seems to be missing in such cases. If it is there, it is flawed, incomprehensible or laughable.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Who are the Caucasians as you use use the term?


Yet fossils demonstrate that hominids predate homosapiens. You don;'t have to speculate, the science e has done the work. But why do you reject evolution?

I believe the Caucasians come as four races: dwarves, elves, wolves and gods. The language is usually some form of Celtic which the races have in common. There is one other "white" race and that is the Atlanteans who come from a different star system from the Caucasians. Caucasians are called that because they originally landed in the Caucasus mountains.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I read that the Hebrew word Chayah' is a verb for: 'live', so Eve would be: Living One.
Yes, that's a variation of the word that's closer to what the original Hebrew word means. Sometimes one word may have more than one meaning, however, especially since Jewish literature heavily used metaphors and allegories in their writings.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
I believe the Caucasians come as four races: dwarves, elves, wolves and gods. The language is usually some form of Celtic which the races have in common. There is one other "white" race and that is the Atlanteans who come from a different star system from the Caucasians. Caucasians are called that because they originally landed in the Caucasus mountains.
So not actual people, and certainly not humans. Is it fair to say you're talking about mythic characters, and these have no bearing on reality?
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I believe the Caucasians come as four races: dwarves, elves, wolves and gods. The language is usually some form of Celtic which the races have in common. There is one other "white" race and that is the Atlanteans who come from a different star system from the Caucasians. Caucasians are called that because they originally landed in the Caucasus mountains.
Excuse me, but what are you smoking? Can I have some?
 

night912

Well-Known Member
I believe the Caucasians come as four races: dwarves, elves, wolves and gods. The language is usually some form of Celtic which the races have in common. There is one other "white" race and that is the Atlanteans who come from a different star system from the Caucasians. Caucasians are called that because they originally landed in the Caucasus mountains.
I thought it was, dwarves, men, elves and hobbits. ‍♂️♂️♂️
 

John1.12

Free gift
All the Abrahamic religions have some teaching about Adam and Eve (as far as i know)

The question is, is Adam and Eve the true names of the very first human beings? or is that something that come later?

If they were the first humanoids on earth, do they not predate Homosapiens too?
Where they actually a different form of humans?
Adam and Eve are the first two humans and there was no death ,prior to the fall .
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Where you there ?
I presume you mean "Were you there?"

Is that question still a thing? Straight from the Ken Ham quotation book.
Are murder detectives present at every murder? No, but they use clues to work out what happened and find the murderer.
Was the fire chief present when a fire broke out? No, but he uses his knowledge to work out the cause.
Did your Doctor (say) witness the heart attack? No, but he diagnoses the problems using his expertise.

Biologists use the evidence to work out
 

John1.12

Free gift
I presume you mean "Were you there?"

Is that question still a thing? Straight from the Ken Ham quotation book.
Are murder detectives present at every murder? No, but they use clues to work out what happened and find the murderer.
Was the fire chief present when a fire broke out? No, but he uses his knowledge to work out the cause.
Did your Doctor (say) witness the heart attack? No, but he diagnoses the problems using his expertise.

Biologists use the evidence to work out
What detective work is done that long ago ?
 
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