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Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
You dont believe in the Trinity, but you believe in Christianity? Or are you just saying you believe in the Bible, not Christianity. Or, do you have your own version of Christianity?
Yes i believe in Christianity but not the trinity
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
Yes i believe in Christianity but not the trinity

Okay. So bottomline is you believe in your own version of Christianity. No that's fine. Its your prerogative. I am curious because being an omniest, you have only selected a few theologies.

Nevertheless, may I ask why you have specifically mentioned "Quranist Islam"? Any specific reason?
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
Okay. So bottomline is you believe in your own version of Christianity. No that's fine. Its your prerogative. I am curious because being an omniest, you have only selected a few theologies.

Nevertheless, may I ask why you have specifically mentioned "Quranist Islam"? Any specific reason?

Yes is a kind of my own version of Christianity
I believe only the Quran is God's word. The Quran is directly from God. Not the hadiths. Hadiths was written 200 years after prophet Muhammads death
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
Yes is a kind of my own version of Christianity
I believe only the Quran is God's word. The Quran is directly from God. Not the hadiths. Hadiths was written 200 years after prophet Muhammads death

I get it. You reject the ahadith like a Quranist would.

Okay. Do you believe the Bible is also Gods word?
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
Yes I believe the Bible is God's word

Hmm. Thats interesting. You believe the Quran and the Bible are both Gods word.

Which Bible do you believe is Gods word? The KJV with a variants added, the Douay version with the OT apocrypha, the Bible with the epistle of Barnabas or the Bible with letters of Clement included in the canon? There are some other versions but I think this should do.
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
Hmm. Thats interesting. You believe the Quran and the Bible are both Gods word.

Which Bible do you believe is Gods word? The KJV with a variants added, the Douay version with the OT apocrypha, the Bible with the epistle of Barnabas or the Bible with letters of Clement included in the canon? There are some other versions but I think this should do.

The catholic and ortodox versions of the Bible.

You are muslim, right? I thought muslims believe the Torah and gospels is from God?
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
The catholic and ortodox versions of the Bible.

You are muslim, right? I thought muslims believe the Torah and gospels is from God?

The oldest Catholic bible had two books not found in the current New Testament. I mentioned them all up there and that's the reason I asked very specific questions. "Catholic and orthodox versions" is the most vague description. Maybe you do not know the variants. Anyway, so you just believe what you find in modern times named Catholic Bible. I dont know what you mean when you say "orthodox bible". Can you explain?

Anyway, yes I am a Muslim. No, Muslims dont believe in what you are referring to as Torah and Gospels? Actually, there is no mention of Gospels in the plural anywhere. Since you asked.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I believe in Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Christianity, Islam, Baha'i at the same time

Sure, you can invent your own religion. And you can borrow from as many existing religions as you like. These guys did:

Caodaism - an Indo-Chinese religion "consisting of an amalgamation of elements from Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Christianity, and spiritualism"

I think that just about everybody with a religion has their own religion judging by what I read in these threads. You see it with the sentences that begin, "I believe" followed by whatever seems right to them. Look at how many doctrinal options there are in Christianity. The old law is void versus obey the Ten Commandments. The world was made in 6 days versus those weren't really days. The flood happened versus it's allegory. One is saved by works versus saved by faith. Hell is a place versus hell is being ostracized by God. Baptism is by immersion versusy sprinkling. Jesus was God versus Jesus was the son of God. The pope is relevant versus not. The Bible is the unadulterated word of God versus inspired by God, and on it goes. One's own choices define the religion he has cobbled together, and likely varies from most other people self-identifying as Christian.

So you're free to do so as well, and can borrow from any other religion that appeals to you.
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
The oldest Catholic bible had two books not found in the current New Testament. I mentioned them all up there and that's the reason I asked very specific questions. "Catholic and orthodox versions" is the most vague description. Maybe you do not know the variants. Anyway, so you just believe what you find in modern times named Catholic Bible. I dont know what you mean when you say "orthodox bible". Can you explain?

Anyway, yes I am a Muslim. No, Muslims dont believe in what you are referring to as Torah and Gospels? Actually, there is no mention of Gospels in the plural anywhere. Since you asked.

The protestant old testament consist of 39 books. The catholic old testament has 39 books + Tobit, Judith, Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus (Sirach), Baruch (includes the Letters of Jeremiah), I and II Maccabees, and additions to Daniel and Esther.
Everything in the Catholic canon is included in the Eastern Orthodox canon, but they have some additional parts. That part is 3 & 4 Maccabees, Psalm 151,The Prayer of Manasseh in Chronicles, 1 Esdras
So the conclusion: I believe in the ortodox Bible
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
The protestant old testament consist of 39 books. The catholic old testament has 39 books + Tobit, Judith, Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus (Sirach), Baruch (includes the Letters of Jeremiah), I and II Maccabees, and additions to Daniel and Esther.
Everything in the Catholic canon is included in the Eastern Orthodox canon, but they have some additional parts. That part is 3 & 4 Maccabees, Psalm 151,The Prayer of Manasseh in Chronicles, 1 Esdras
So the conclusion: I believe in the ortodox Bible

What about Epistle of Barnabas etc and Letters of Clement in the New Testament I mentioned already Meandflower?
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
The oldest Catholic bible had two books not found in the current New Testament. I mentioned them all up there and that's the reason I asked very specific questions. "Catholic and orthodox versions" is the most vague description. Maybe you do not know the variants. Anyway, so you just believe what you find in modern times named Catholic Bible. I dont know what you mean when you say "orthodox bible". Can you explain?

Anyway, yes I am a Muslim. No, Muslims dont believe in what you are referring to as Torah and Gospels? Actually, there is no mention of Gospels in the plural anywhere. Since you asked.

Surah Al-Ma'idah (5:46) And We sent Jesus, the son of Mary, after those Prophets, confirming the truth of whatever there still remained of the Torah. And We gave him the Gospel, wherein is guidance and light, and which confirms the truth of whatever there still remained of the Torah,and a guidance and admonition for the God-fearing.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
What about Epistle of Barnabas etc and Letters of Clement in the New Testament I mentioned already Meandflower?
The eastern ortodox church believe in Barnabas, but it is not part of their Bible. The Barnabas didn't meet the high bar of canonicity, i.e. an infallible expression of the record of the Apostles preaching.

I believe the same as them
 
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