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Does your belief / religion ect offer a better deal ?

John1.12

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Intuition coupled with great belief in the mercy of God.
And where do you base your understanding about the ' mercy ' of God ? How much assurance can we have from 'intuition ' ? Is there anything tangible or objective that you can point to thats not subjective?This pertains to ' assurance ' . I find by comparison little if any assurance in other religions .
 

John1.12

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I do believe all forms of religions have an inward journey yes, Sufism is not called a mainstream path in Islam :) it is called mystecism path within islam :) because much of the teaching has to do with the internal and sometimes intuitive part of the person.
The certainty of the Journey and the Gurantee is what I believe makes the difference between other religions . Most are dependent on ' self ' ,which doesn't give certainty. its a ' if ' and ' maybe ' path .
 

firedragon

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The discussion here is based on what the requirements for your belief/ religion are . What is required of you to do in order to attain. Its immediate benefits/ results and its future promise / fulfilment.
Now this of course is based on whether or not said belief is true or not. But first let's discuss what's on offer here and my argument is , I don't believe anyone can offer more than I already have ,as a bible believing Christian . Not immediately or in the future.

It sounds like "who gives the best discount". Whats on offer??
 

John1.12

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If there was a hard and fast list of requirements for my religion, I assure you that I wouldn't have signed up.

That said, in my religion, in a nutshell, the goal of practice is Moksha, which is Self-realization/liberation from samsara, the cycle of rebirth. This is done by living in accordance with one's dharma and by learning to let go of worldly desires and attachments.



It's for each individual determine what is "true," not you.



That remains to be seen. But a bit of advice. Tread carefully here. This forum does not condone proselytizing.
///That said, in my religion, in a nutshell, the goal of practice is Moksha, which is Self-realization/liberation from samsara, the cycle of rebirth. This is done by living in accordance with one's dharma and by learning to let go of worldly desires and attachments.//
Ok by comparison to this. What I have ( smugness not intended) is not dependent on me or my actions ( Referring to Eternal life , and assurance now ) . And its a desire to let go of desires ,so it seems like the goal is unattainable?
 

John1.12

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It sounds like "who gives the best discount". Whats on offer??
Well in a sense . What's on ' offer' by Jesus is a ' free gift ' . Thats why I offer this challenge, if you like . Because I don't see anything like this presented in any other truth claim/ religion . Every other religion is about what the individual has to do ,and keep doing .
 

SalixIncendium

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And its a desire to let go of desires ,so it seems like the goal is unattainable?

I can see how you would come to that conclusion, as having a desire to let go of desires wouldn't be letting go of desires. However, that act of letting go, in and of itself, requires no form of desire.
 

Polymath257

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What is offered to whosoever is certainty of reconciliation to God , Peace with God , The gift of the Holy Spirit, fellowship with God , Guaranteed eternal life in heaven when you die . No fear of death ect .

So why would that be good news?

Why would I desire what is offered?

I already do not fear death. And the idea of eternal life is more terrifying than good news. And I have no desire to connect to any deity.
 

Polymath257

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And where do you base your understanding about the ' mercy ' of God ? How much assurance can we have from 'intuition ' ? Is there anything tangible or objective that you can point to thats not subjective?This pertains to ' assurance ' . I find by comparison little if any assurance in other religions .

Let's turn this around. Do you Christianity offers anything tangible or objective? If so, what?
 

Polymath257

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Well in a sense . What's on ' offer' by Jesus is a ' free gift ' . Thats why I offer this challenge, if you like . Because I don't see anything like this presented in any other truth claim/ religion . Every other religion is about what the individual has to do ,and keep doing .

But if the gift has no value, why should I care?
 

danieldemol

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And where do you base your understanding about the ' mercy ' of God ? How much assurance can we have from 'intuition ' ? Is there anything tangible or objective that you can point to thats not subjective?This pertains to ' assurance ' . I find by comparison little if any assurance in other religions .
In my opinion you are just following the intuitions and subjective thought processes/beliefs of the ancient men who wrote the Bible. So I find as little assurance in your beliefs as you find in mine.
 

Psalm23

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The discussion here is based on what the requirements for your belief/ religion are . What is required of you to do in order to attain. Its immediate benefits/ results and its future promise / fulfilment.
Now this of course is based on whether or not said belief is true or not. But first let's discuss what's on offer here and my argument is , I don't believe anyone can offer more than I already have ,as a bible believing Christian . Not immediately or in the future.


What are the requirements in your view of Christianity? There are differences of opinion among Christians with this.
 

Shakeel

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Well in a sense . What's on ' offer' by Jesus is a ' free gift ' . Thats why I offer this challenge, if you like . Because I don't see anything like this presented in any other truth claim/ religion . Every other religion is about what the individual has to do ,and keep doing .
Umm...

Matthew 4:17 'From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”'

Matthew 5:16 "In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven."

Matthew 5:27-28 "“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

Matthew 5:34 "But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God,"

Matthew 5:48 "You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

And so on.
 

Psalm23

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Um...aren't all gifts free? Isn't that the definition of "gift?" I mean, if it it came at a price, it wouldn't be a gift now, would it?

As an aside, try walking into a gift shop and announcing, "I'm here for my gift!"


Oftentimes when seeing an ad of a free item, you would still have to pay shipping. Sometimes the ad says this upfront and other times it waits for you to click the link first.
 
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