Is it possible?

[Spirit of Light]

It is daring to welcome a stranger into your home. But, it isn't always wrong. Only sometimes it is. Are you a betting person?

No i am not a betting person but i been homeless before so i know how it feels to get a night or two in a bed after days or weeks outdoor.
Personally i dont fear if someone steal from me, because its just a physical thing that can be replaced. And i live a very minimalistic life anyway.

 

[savagewind]

No i am not a betting person but i been homeless before so i know how it feels to get a night or two in a bed after days or weeks outdoor.
Personally i dont fear if someone steal from me, because its just a physical thing that can be replaced. And i live a very minimalistic life anyway.

I wasn't thinking of stealing. I was thinking of damage to my person.

 

[passerby]

I wasn't thinking of stealing. I was thinking of damage to my person.

Why would a homeless person cause damage to your person, more than any other person you might invite into your home? Give me evidence homeless people go about attacking people who provide them with a bed.
It is far more likely for a homeless person to be attacked on the street by a person who isn't homeless- than vice versa.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I wasn't thinking of stealing. I was thinking of damage to my person.

I know Norway may not be the best country to compare with other countries (very little crime here) But honestly i do not fear for my life even if i let a homeless person sleep on the sofa for a few nights. Those i have had staying in my home, even asked very gently if it was ok to get some food and a coffee in the morning.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Is it possible to love all people unconditionally?
I do not speak of love as falling in love with an other human being. But to not be able to hold any hate toward anyone ?

I can't think of anyone I hate. But that doesn't mean I love everyone unconditionally. Most people I simply don't think about. Like, I am not as concerned with the starving kid in Africa as I am about my own family. I'm not sure if I can say I love that kid. I don't wish for him to be starving. In fact I have given to charities that deal in hungry children. But honestly, I go through days and weeks and months without ever thinking about it. Is that any kind of love at all?

 

[John1.12]

Is it possible to love all people unconditionally?
I do not speak of love as falling in love with an other human being. But to not be able to hold any hate toward anyone ?

I don't think its possible to not hold ANY hate towards a person. Hating with a cause is one thing , hate without a cause is another

 

[Spirit of Light]

I don't think its possible to not hold ANY hate towards a person. Hating with a cause is one thing , hate without a cause is another

Can you give an example?

 

[John1.12]

Is it possible to love all people unconditionally?
I do not speak of love as falling in love with an other human being. But to not be able to hold any hate toward anyone ?

I believe the greatest demonstration of love ( as is a sacrificial, love ) is demonstrated in these verses .
Romans 5
6¶For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

7For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

To give one self to your enemy , to the one who spits on you , or is nailing you to a cross.

 

[John1.12]

Can you give an example?

Hating a person without a cause is where there's a problem.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Hating a person without a cause is where there's a problem.

I believe it is fully possible to hold no hate within us

 

[John1.12]

Can you give an example?

Jesus gives an example in John 15
25But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause .

Mat 5 .22
Matthew 5:22

“But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.”

 

[John1.12]

I believe it is fully possible to hold no hate within us

That s a noble goal . what would be the purpose for the pursuit of that Goal ? I believe there is a more important pursuit which I believe is the only motivation that leads to being able to have that love for your brother / neighbour . Without a cause. Ultimately in this life I know I will always struggle in the flesh to one degree or another . The ultimate goal for me is when my body is redeemed and I can't sin no more .
This verse puts it in to perspective. My previous goals were of the pursuit of happiness , spiritual enlightenment ect ,but then I came across this verse ,which was a wake up call.
Mark 8:36

“For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”
This verse literally kept me awake at night.

 

[Spirit of Light]

That s a noble goal . what would be the purpose for the pursuit of that Goal ? I believe there is a more important pursuit which I believe is the only motivation that leads to being able to have that love for your brother / neighbour . Without a cause. Ultimately in this life I know I will always struggle in the flesh to one degree or another . The ultimate goal for me is when my body is redeemed and I can't sin no more .
This verse puts it in to perspective. My previous goals were of the pursuit of happiness , spiritual enlightenment ect ,but then I came across this verse ,which was a wake up call.
Mark 8:36

“For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”
This verse literally kept me awake at night.

To seek a life without any hate toward others or self means to me a life of selfless love to every being in this world, human or not. Why do i seek this? because in my understanding this way it would be impossible to have any enemies (i do not have any enemies now either) and no matter what happens it would always be possible to help anyone who need help.

To me the verse you provied means something like. do not be to much attached to this physical world because you might lose your soul in the prosess.

So being non attached to physical objects is a good thing. (as one example)

 

[John1.12]

To seek a life without any hate toward others or self means to me a life of selfless love to every being in this world, human or not. Why do i seek this? because in my understanding this way it would be impossible to have any enemies (i do not have any enemies now either) and no matter what happens it would always be possible to help anyone who need help.

To me the verse you provied means something like. do not be to much attached to this physical world because you might lose your soul in the prosess.

So being non attached to physical objects is a good thing. (as one example)

Ok I understand what your saying . Some of my understanding of certain spiritual practices is the goal of letting go of desires ect whilst that is a desire itself lol . But the point of the verse is if you could achieve all you wanted or even letting go of all desires , selfishness , even if you arrived, all of this would be pointless if you went to hell at the end. Now of course we can say hell doesn't exist, therefore why would I bring that into the equation . This is the biggest part of Christianity I kicked out against before I was a Christian. But of course if its true then as noble a pursuit it seems, and you could add that you worked toward world peace , gave all your money away to feed the homeless , you literally spent your entire life' helping others ' ect what would it profit if you lost your own soul ? Well you might say " I don't care i would have lived my life for the good of others " ,ok great ,sounds good . But wait if it is true what Jesus said then would you really have helped others? I see it like singing songs , offering out hotdogs , giving people warm clothes whilst the titanic is sinking . Yes they may feel comfortable on the way down ,but ultimately it won't save them. There is a true story of a preacher who was on the titanic and he spent his dying moments swimming up to as many people as he could asking if they knew Jesus and their soul was saved . One of the last person he spoke to was rescued eventually and became a believer. So he really did save him, in the best way possible.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Ok I understand what your saying . Some of my understanding of certain spiritual practices is the goal of letting go of desires ect whilst that is a desire itself lol . But the point of the verse is if you could achieve all you wanted or even letting go of all desires , selfishness , even if you arrived, all of this would be pointless if you went to hell at the end. Now of course we can say hell doesn't exist, therefore why would I bring that into the equation . This is the biggest part of Christianity I kicked out against before I was a Christian. But of course if its true then as noble a pursuit it seems, and you could add that you worked toward world peace , gave all your money away to feed the homeless , you literally spent your entire life' helping others ' ect what would it profit if you lost your own soul ? Well you might say " I don't care i would have lived my life for the good of others " ,ok great ,sounds good . But wait if it is true what Jesus said then would you really have helped others? I see it like singing songs , offering out hotdogs , giving people warm clothes whilst the titanic is sinking . Yes they may feel comfortable on the way down ,but ultimately it won't save them. There is a true story of a preacher who was on the titanic and he spent his dying moments swimming up to as many people as he could asking if they knew Jesus and their soul was saved . One of the last person he spoke to was rescued eventually and became a believer. So he really did save him, in the best way possible.

To answer your first part. Even the desire to let go of all attachments must go before one is fully free in so being fully selfless or without ego.
In my understanding, if we live a life according to the religion we have chosen to follow and always do our best to better our speech, action and thoughts, then hell is not to be feared. But if we do claim to be of a religion and tell everyone else what is right to do, but not following it our self, yes then Hell could be a where we end up.

I am not a preaching kind of person who must convert others to what i believe in, but i will answer questions when asked about how and why i believe

 

[John1.12]

To answer your first part. Even the desire to let go of all attachments must go before one is fully free in so being fully selfless or without ego.
In my understanding, if we live a life according to the religion we have chosen to follow and always do our best to better our speech, action and thoughts, then hell is not to be feared. But if we do claim to be of a religion and tell everyone else what is right to do, but not following it our self, yes then Hell could be a where we end up.

I am not a preaching kind of person who must convert others to what i believe in, but i will answer questions when asked about how and why i believe

From a logical point of view. Can it be that different religions all offering different paths to a different god is the same? Meaning they all cannot be right ? So can this be true // if we live a life according to the religion we have chosen to follow and always do our best to better our speech, action and thoughts, then hell is not to be feared.// This is a truth claim. Its a belief . But it is not feasible .Islam for example ,a Muslim will tell you that its not compatible with Christianity . All religions have exclusive truth claims that oppose each other . It seems to be a philosophy that says ' all religions are just different paths to the same end " This flatly contradicts each religion and is simply not true .

 

[Spirit of Light]

From a logical point of view. Can it be that different religions all offering different paths to a different god is the same? Meaning they all cannot be right ? So can this be true // if we live a life according to the religion we have chosen to follow and always do our best to better our speech, action and thoughts, then hell is not to be feared.// This is a truth claim. Its a belief . But it is not feasible .Islam for example ,a Muslim will tell you that its not compatible with Christianity . All religions have exclusive truth claims that oppose each other . It seems to be a philosophy that says ' all religions are just different paths to the same end " This flatly contradicts each religion and is simply not true .

I do not have answers to all of your questions here I have still many things to understand. Sufism is a bit different than mainstream Islam so even i believe in one God (Allah) i have no reason to tell others their belief must be wrong, Who am i to tell others what is right or wrong for them

 

[John1.12]

I do not have answers to all of your questions here I have still many things to understand. Sufism is a bit different than mainstream Islam so even i believe in one God (Allah) i have no reason to tell others their belief must be wrong, Who am i to tell others what is right or wrong for them

I hear you . I look at it like this. There's a blind man walking toward a cliff edge . The blind man believes he's walking into a meadow and he's just fine , that's what he believes. His belief is wrong however . I would have to tell him he's wrong ,at the risk of offending him .
Also it is interesting when people say ' all roads lead to the same God " or all things are relative . Not realising this is an exclusive truth claim itself
' All paths are leading to the same end ' Thats a exclusive truth claim ' ' All religions are a part of the whole or all reigions are all equal ' ect ect these are all exclusive truth claims.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I hear you . I look at it like this. There's a blind man walking toward a cliff edge . The blind man believes he's walking into a meadow and he's just fine , that's what he believes. His belief is wrong however . I would have to tell him he's wrong ,at the risk of offending him .
Also it is interesting when people say ' all roads lead to the same God " or all things are relative . Not realising this is an exclusive truth claim itself
' All paths are leading to the same end ' Thats a exclusive truth claim ' ' All religions are a part of the whole or all reigions are all equal ' ect ect these are all exclusive truth claims.

Since i can not say what others should believe or not believe i can only speak from how i have understood it to be .
I might not agree with what every other religions say, But they are free to believe what they do.

And i do not say others are blind and i am the only one who see the truth What i understand right now may change later when i realized more or deeper truth. So to me it is a constant development toward higher wisdom.

 

[John1.12]

Since i can not say what others should believe or not believe i can only speak from how i have understood it to be .
I might not agree with what every other religions say, But they are free to believe what they do.

And i do not say others are blind and i am the only one who see the truth What i understand right now may change later when i realized more or deeper truth. So to me it is a constant development toward higher wisdom.

I just used the blind man / cliff as a example . Another example would be you and your buddy are going sky diving. Your at 15.000 ft and your both about to Jump . Your buddy then takes off his parachute and declares, I don't need this parachute, I believe that if I simply flap my arms I will be ok . No I know this is not going to work . But he ' believes ' that he will be ok . This simple story is made to show that inspite of his belief the truth was that gravity and the fall is going to kill him. It is true regardless of what we think and believe . Its objectively true that it will end badly for him. His belief no matter how strong wont save him . So either Jesus was just blowing smoke or his claims were true . We can't have it both ways . Or its Islam , or its Mormonism , or its The Jehovah's_Witnesses witnesses ,logically it can't be " oh what's true for you is true for you " or ' All religions are a piece of the big picture they all lead to the same path / end .