john 8:51?John 11:26?How do jws see this?I like talking to jws about stuff like this.Because I was close to becoming one.
I see you are getting help from someone on how to question JWs.
Sorry, I was just thinking about the Scribes and Pharisees and how they approached Jesus to try to trip them up.
Oh, I was not referring to
@savagewind ... but I an convinced Frank that you are talking to people who are against the teachings of JWs, and you are being guided as to how to question them. Am I right?
Or are you checking out those websites on "How to answer JWs"?
I was going to suggest you query the JWs website, where you would get the answer, but I see from post #4, you are not here trying to find out what JWs believe about scripture, but rather, you are interested in seeing them defend their scriptural stance... against opposers, maybe?
Here is the JWs view on those scriptures.
The answers are found in
Jesus the Way the Truth and the Life book.
*** jy chap. 69 p. 164 pars. 5-7 Their Father—Abraham or the Devil? ***
Jesus has tried to show what the consequences of rejecting him are. But now he pointedly says: “You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father.” What is their father like? Jesus identifies him clearly: “That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth.” Jesus adds: “The one who is from God listens to the sayings of God. This is why you do not listen, because you are not from God.”—John 8:44, 47.
That condemnation angers the Jews, who answer: “Are we not right in saying, ‘You are a Samaritan and have a demon’?” By calling Jesus “a Samaritan,” they are expressing contempt for him. But Jesus ignores their slur, responding: “I do not have a demon, but I honor my Father, and you dishonor me.”
That this is a serious matter can be seen by Jesus’ startling promise: “If anyone observes my word, he will never see death at all.” He does not mean that the apostles and others who follow him will literally never die. Rather, they will never see eternal destruction, “the second death,” with no hope of a resurrection.—John 8:48-51; Revelation 21:8.
The Jews took jesus words here literally.
*** jy chap. 90 p. 212 pars. 3-5 “The Resurrection and the Life” ***
Yet, could it be that Jesus can provide immediate relief in this case? He reminds Martha that he has God-given power over death, saying: “The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; and everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all.”—John 11:25, 26.
Jesus is not suggesting that his disciples then alive will never die. Even he must die, as he has told his apostles. (Matthew 16:21; 17:22, 23) Jesus is stressing that exercising faith in him can lead to everlasting life. For many, such life will be gained through a resurrection. However, faithful ones alive at the end of this system may never have to die at all. In either case, everyone who exercises faith in him can be sure of never facing permanent death.
Do you see the answer there.
Jesus was not saying that those who exercise faith in him would somehow become immortals, and never die.
Death is imminent even for those who go to heaven, and Jesus knows this.
Of course, the scriptures tell us that some of those exercising faith in Jesus would live on into the new world without dying, but was Jesus alluding to these ones? Possibility.
We know though that everyone living at the time Jesus said those words, died. So it seems apparent, Jesus is referring to not having to die permanently, considering the context.
In either case, everlasting life means never dying at all, so that's evidently what Jesus meant.