You do realize that in the sentence, "He can never be your object," "He" - i.e. God - is literally the object, right?Intellectually you can never know Him, He can never be your object.
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You do realize that in the sentence, "He can never be your object," "He" - i.e. God - is literally the object, right?Intellectually you can never know Him, He can never be your object.
Can we as human beings truly understand what Allah/God is in pure form?
Or can we only gain understanding of what Allah/God might be in his purest form?
Can we say: this is Allah/God?
Of course. I figured this can extend in the form of mental puppetry.Isn't being a person requisite to having a personality?
We cannot comprehend God in his infinite essence, but that does not mean we cannot know anything about God. There is no logical disconnect in saying that God is incomprehensible and that God has revealed certain truths about himself, the purpose of our lives and how we are to respond to said truths.If someone thinks that God is incomprehensible, then that's where the discussion ends. When people start talking about deeds God has supposedly done, or God's likes and dislikes, or God's commandments for humanity, they're implying that God is - to some degree - comprehensible.
I have no issue with you believing this, but I also recognize that it's not the only belief out there.We cannot comprehend God in his infinite essence, but that does not mean we cannot know anything about God.
There's a disconnect if we say that God is entirely incomprehensible.There is no logical disconnect in saying that God is incomprehensible and that God has revealed certain truths about himself, the purpose of our lives and how we are to respond to said truths.
I would say God is ultimately incomprehensible. The finite cannot contain the infinite. But I would reject the idea that nothing about God can be comprehended.There's a disconnect if we say that God is entirely incomprehensible.
I would say God is ultimately incomprehensible. The finite cannot contain the infinite. But I would reject the idea that nothing about God can be comprehended.
You seem to be talking in circles.I would say God is ultimately incomprehensible. The finite cannot contain the infinite. But I would reject the idea that nothing about God can be comprehended.
We cannot comprehend God in his infinite essence, but that does not mean we cannot know anything about God. There is no logical disconnect in saying that God is incomprehensible and that God has revealed certain truths about himself, the purpose of our lives and how we are to respond to said truths.
How do you know God and don't know God at the same time?
If he can't be described by intellect how does one know what he says, feels, does, intentions, speeches, and so forth...wouldn't this signal you know something about him to know these things?
Another. If he can't be described, using the word spirit or like word wouldn't match cause we don't know
If god is unknown, prophets wouldn't know him and no scripture could be written by an unknown figure.
God in his essence is incomprehensible. But God in his attributes can be meaningfully spoken of. For example. We can know that God is good even if we cannot fathom his goodness.If aspects of God can be comprehended, then those aspects are comprehensible.
To me, a god that isn't an anthropomorphism is a contradiction in terms.You are describing a very anthropomorphized God, one I do not recognize (which is fine of course).
I have no idea what you mean by "essence" or "attributes" or how you see them as different.God in his essence is incomprehensible. But God in his attributes can be meaningfully spoken of. For example. We can know that God is good even if we cannot fathom his goodness.
Can we as human beings truly understand what Allah/God is in pure form?
Or can we only gain understanding of what Allah/God might be in his purest form?
Can we say: this is Allah/God?
Tat tvam WUT
I have no idea what you mean by "essence" or "attributes" or how you see them as different.
The attributes of God are the qualities of God. E.g. God is infinite, transcendent, immanent, good, just... ect. God's essence describes what God is. That which distinguishes him from all created things. This is beyond human ability to know.I have no idea what you mean by "essence" or "attributes" or how you see them as different.
So you think that phrases like "God is infinite, transcendent, immanent, good, just, etc." don't describe what God is?The attributes of God are the qualities of God. E.g. God is infinite, transcendent, immanent, good, just... ect. God's essence describes what God is. That which distinguishes him from all created things. This is beyond human ability to know.
No.So you think that phrases like "God is infinite, transcendent, immanent, good, just, etc." don't describe what God is?
You keep saying that, but I think the problem is rather a lack of shared concepts.You seem to be talking in circles again.