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Is it possible to understand what Allah/God is?

Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Can we as human beings truly understand what Allah/God is in pure form?
Or can we only gain understanding of what Allah/God might be in his purest form?

Can we say: this is Allah/God?
 
Regiomontanus

Regiomontanus

Ματαιοδοξία ματαιοδοξιών! Όλα είναι ματαιοδοξία.
Conscious thoughts said:
Can we as human beings truly understand what Allah/God is in pure form?
Or can we only gain understanding of what Allah/God might be in his purest form?

Can we say: this is Allah/God?
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No :)

He is beyond the comprehension of finite minds.

This is the traditional view, in Judaism and Christianity at least.
 
Samael_Khan

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
Conscious thoughts said:
Can we as human beings truly understand what Allah/God is in pure form?
Or can we only gain understanding of what Allah/God might be in his purest form?

Can we say: this is Allah/God?
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Well, we don't know what future technology we will come up with to examine a god or what discoveries will be made so nobody knows actually. What is most likely the case is that we do not have the capabilities to examine a god at the moment.
 
Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Yeah sure. If we understand about the Pink Unicorn, Flying Spaghetti Monster, Cthulhu, etc., what is the problem in understanding God or Allah. Furthermore, you are aided by the people sent by him and four excellent books, Torah, Christian Bible, Qur'an and Kitab-i-Aqdas.
 
Fool

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Conscious thoughts said:
Can we as human beings truly understand what Allah/God is in pure form?
Or can we only gain understanding of what Allah/God might be in his purest form?

Can we say: this is Allah/God?
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love is the mystery


LOVE is greatest allahu akbar


I am a slave to love



 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Conscious thoughts said:
Can we as human beings truly understand what Allah/God is in pure form?
Or can we only gain understanding of what Allah/God might be in his purest form?

Can we say: this is Allah/God?
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We can certainly understand what we mean by the terms "Allah" and "God."

... and what we understand the terms to mean is all of their entire meaning.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Regiomontanus said:
No :)

He is beyond the comprehension of finite minds.

This is the traditional view, in Judaism and Christianity at least.
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While I recognize that this is what many people in these religions say, it can't be reconciled with pretty much anything in either religion.

If someone thinks that God is incomprehensible, then that's where the discussion ends. When people start talking about deeds God has supposedly done, or God's likes and dislikes, or God's commandments for humanity, they're implying that God is - to some degree - comprehensible.

A truly incomprehensible God is unfit to be the focus of a religion.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Conscious thoughts said:
Can a human truly understand what God is like
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Tell me what you mean by "God" and then I can answer the question.

If you can tell me what you mean, then that's what God is, at least for you.

If you can't tell me what you mean by "God," then for you, "God" is just a meaningless sound; you aren't using "God" as a word.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Conscious thoughts said:
Can we as human beings truly understand what Allah/God is in pure form?
Or can we only gain understanding of what Allah/God might be in his purest form?

Can we say: this is Allah/God?
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I can perfectly understand Allah as much as Jehovah and any other God that has been ever around.

It's all in the mind. Personality of one's god is determined by its user.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Conscious thoughts said:
Can we as human beings truly understand what Allah/God is in pure form?
Or can we only gain understanding of what Allah/God might be in his purest form?

Can we say: this is Allah/God?
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Yes and no.

Yes...we can do so say in poetry and art...many expressions of god (and the like) one can't put in words can be expressed by visual language.

We can by expressing our experiences and finding a single motivator(s) of them. For example, some christians call the experience of wholeness love. To me, that experience is freedom and gratitude. To another...

No, because each person's experiences are unique. Freedom to me isn't someone who loves me, someone I worship, or someone I serve-not a god. While others, it may be the act of surrender, the pull to serve, and the experience of profound gratitude.

Most of the time talking with religious on RF all of them-every single one-says their experiences are personal.

God probably can but it takes strength and humility to let down our defenses on what's personal to others.

Something I read once. An author asked her native american friend if she can use his words in her book.

Her spiritual advisor said, "of course. Nothing I say is mine but owned by god."

https://www.amazon.com/Wisdom-Native-Americans-Kent-Nerburn/dp/1577310799

https://www.amazon.com/Native-Wisdom-White-Minds-Reflections/dp/0345394054

I can't remember which it was, but they are good sources of wisdom of you're interested.
It's very important to understand the difference between religion and faith. Because faith is not about having the right answers. Faith is a feeling. Faith is a hunch, really. It's a hunch that there is something bigger connecting it all... connecting us all together. And that feeling, that hunch, is God. And coming here tonight, on your Sunday evening... to connect with that feeling, that is an act of faith." Father Brian (Keeping the Faith movie)
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Marcion

gopa of humanity's controversial Taraka Brahma
Intellectually you can never know Him, He can never be your object.
By surrendering your own subject you can sort of experience the Supreme Subjectivity (after it has happened, not during the unification itself).
 
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