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Jesus' Four Failed Prophecies About Him Returning In The Lifetimes Of His Apostles

SeekingAllTruth

Well-Known Member
It can be labeled unfulfilled but since it has been fulfilled that is just a label Christians use so they can keep waiting for Jesus, and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting, till hell freezes over. There is nothing that can be done with this because what has not happened and will never happen is just a belief. ;)
Yes, but try to convince them of that. It's like pulling teeth--without the pliers
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Yes, but try to convince them of that. It's like pulling teeth--without the pliers
It's actually worse than that because you have a better chance of pulling out a tooth without pliers than you do of convincing a Christian that Jesus is not going to return. :rolleyes:
And eventually the tooth will fall out on its own but but there is no eventually for Christians because they will never stop waiting.... NEVER.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
But not without a lot of pain....like the pain of a stiff neck spending a lifetime looking upward for the 2nd Coming.
I have heard that it is a lot less painful to wait for the tooth to fall out than to have it pulled.
I do not think that the Christians are in any pain waiting because as long as they are waiting that have hope and something to look forward to. It is kind of like looking forward to a vacation you go on every year.
Take that hope away from Christians and see what happens. I know what happens because every time I prove that their own Bible says Jesus is not coming back, they act as if I am taking their life away from them.

But of course you cannot ever take it away from them because it is a belief and hope springs eternal.

Revelation 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
;)
 
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samtonga43

Well-Known Member
The question was why they are atheists.
For many atheists, the Bible is evidence against the existence of any God.

Most atheists have never read the Bible. Not that reading the Bible would automatically lead to regeneration.

Only the Holy Spirit, Third Person of the Trinity, can do this.
 

samtonga43

Well-Known Member
That is now it works because Baha'is do not believe that Jesus is the only way.

And Christians do believe that Jesus is the only way. When I asked if 'this is how it works' I meant this continual
exchange of "I believe" / No. "I believe".

Who says I am angry? Righteous indignation about an injustice is not anger.

But you have admitted that you feel angry. And in any case where is the injustice you speak of? You believe that it is unjust that Christians interpret Scripture differently from you? That's life, Tb.

Disparaging my character is not going to help your case. Why not just stick with the facts?

When you say that you would like to burn Bibles you disparage yourself, Tb.
 

SeekingAllTruth

Well-Known Member
Most atheists have never read the Bible. Not that reading the Bible would automatically lead to regeneration.

Only the Holy Spirit, Third Person of the Trinity, can do this.
You need to come out of your bubble and do a little reading critical of the Bible to see what others have to say about it--unless you're afraid of having your faith challenged.

These 11 verses turn Christians into Atheists. How do you explain them?

Leviticus 25:44-45
And as for your male and female slaves whom you may have– from the nations that are around you, from them you may buy male and female slaves. Moreover you may buy the children of the strangers who dwell among you, and their families who are with you, which they beget in your land; and they shall become your property.

So everybody today who is trying to raise awareness about trafficking children just needs to shut up. Apparently, God’s in favor of trafficking children.

https://redeeminggod.com/atheist-maker-verses/
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
And Christians do believe that Jesus is the only way.
Yet Jesus never said that. He said he was the way, but he never said he was the only way or the way for all time.
But Christians choose to wear earplugs and that is why they cannot respond to any of my posts with a rebuttal.
But you have admitted that you feel angry. And in any case where is the injustice you speak of? You believe that it is unjust that Christians interpret Scripture differently from you? That's life, Tb.
So what if I feel angry? I have something to be angry about.
No, that is not what I meant. The injustice is for Christians to believe that Jesus is the only way and continue waiting for Jesus to return as the world situation gets worse and worse.
When you say that you would like to burn Bibles you disparage yourself, Tb.
Only in the eyes of Christians. The Bible is sacred to nobody else.
No, I am just being honest. I am sure I am not the only one who feels this way, I am just the only one willing to admit it on a public forum. If I said what I really feel about the Bible and Christianity it would be much worse. But I already said a lot of that so there is no need to repeat it again.

ANY religion that believes they are the only true religion has a serious problem with arrogance.
So far the only religions I know of who believe that are Judaism and Christianity.
And of course they are not getting that from the Torah or the Bible, they are getting it from their MISINTERPRETATION of the Torah and the Bible.
 
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samtonga43

Well-Known Member
It is no exaggeration, and I have proved it 100 times over. Christians just don't want to face reality. They do not want to know the truth, they just want to believe.

Here's what you said:
"...every time I prove that their own Bible says Jesus is not coming back, they act as if I am taking their life away from them".

1. You can't prove this. All you can say is that your interpretation leads you to believe this. This is NOT proof.

2. You think much too much of your theological prowess if you really believe that Christians act as if you "are taking their life away from them".

That my friend, is exaggeration and you are living in cloud-cuckoo-land if you really think it isn't.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Here's what you said:
"...every time I prove that their own Bible says Jesus is not coming back, they act as if I am taking their life away from them".

1. You can't prove this. All you can say is that your interpretation leads you to believe this. This is NOT proof.

2. You think much too much of your theological prowess if you really believe that Christians act as if you "are taking their life away from them".

That my friend, is exaggeration and you are living in cloud-cuckoo-land if you really think it isn't.
I said "they act as if I am taking their life away." This is an observation, not something that requires proof.
Were you there? Did you see what these Christians wrote? If not, you cannot know how they acted.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Here is something most Christians don't know:

Jesus promised no less than FOUR times in the gospels that he would return to earth and his apostles would live to see it, yet he never showed up.

Paul believed fervently that Jesus would return in his lifetime:

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then WE who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord." 1 Thessolonians 4:16-17

Now Paul may have put this idea into the heads of the gospel writers when they started writing the gospels. They had Jesus make these four prophesies that he would return before the apostles died:

“For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom. (Matthew 16: 27, 28)

For me, this is the one that cannot be excused away with rationalizations like "Jesus was referring to the future generation", or "Jesus was referring to God's time which could be thousands of years in the future". We have Jesus referring directly to the people listening to him when he made that failed prophecy "some of you standing here will not taste death until you see me return"

...they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. (Matthew 24: 25-34)

“Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place…
(Mark 13:26-30)

Here in Chap 10 Jesus is giving his apostles instructions on how they should conduct themselves when he sends them out to do God's work

Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes. (Matthew 10:23)

Naturally Jesus never showed up. Why? Because we can assume he never said he would return--this was all invention by the gospel writers probably based on Paul's belief Jesus would return and Paul would live to see it. There are five rationalizations Christians have come up with for Jesus' no-show. All are patently ridiculous but you can read them in the link below:

Jesus’ Failed Prophecy About His Return

Jesus talked about his second coming. Facts About the Second Coming of Christ

New Testament Affirmation
As indicated above, the New Testament abounds with information regarding the second coming of Christ. Jesus himself affirmed it on numerous occasions (cf. Mt. 24:37, 39, 42, 44).

Shortly before his crucifixion, the Savior promised that after his death he would “come again” (cf. Lk. 19:15; Jn. 14:3). When the Lord ascended into heaven the angels proclaimed that he would “so come in like manner” as they watched him depart into heaven (Acts 1:11).

Matthew 24:37

But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Matthew 24:39

And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Matthew 24:42

Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Matthew 24:44

Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Luke 19:15

And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.

John 14:3

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Acts 1:11

Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
 

samtonga43

Well-Known Member
Yet Jesus never said that. He said he was the way, but he never said he was the only way or the way for all time.'

Of course He did.
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Do you see the words “For the moment” or “For now” or “Only those living now” in there?

You are reading into the text what YOU wish the text said. Tb. It is called eisegesis.

But Christians choose to wear earplugs and that is why they cannot respond to any of my posts with a rebuttal.

I can assure you that the Christians on the forums I frequent would have no problem whatsoever dealing with your posts.

So what if I feel angry? I have something ti be angry about. No, that is not what I meant. The injustice is for Christians to believe that Jesus is the only way and continue waiting for Jesus to return as the world situation gets worse and worse.

But why is this unjust? You seem unable to address this point.

Only in the eyes of Christians. The Bible is sacred to nobody else.

Well, of course it isn't. But one does not burn books because they are not sacred to oneself. That is fanaticism.

No, I am just being honest. I am sure I m not the only one who feels this way, I am just the only one willing to admit it on a public forum. If I said what I really feel about the Bible and Christianity it would be much worse.

This is arrogance, You are doing your religion no favors, Tb.

ANY religion that believes they are the only true religion has a serious problem with arrogance.

Unless they are correct, of course.

I said "they act as if I am taking their life away." This is an observation, not something that requires proof.
Were you there? Did you see what these Christians wrote? If not, you cannot know how they acted.

Were these Christians fundamentalists? I ask because I just cannot imagine any Christian I know acting as if your conclusions have taken her/his life away. I'm sorry, but it’s just laughable.
 
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