Subduction Zone
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Fine, I will. Please tell us exactly what your beliefs are.
You also seem to have a bit of a reading comprehension problem. You edited a quote of a post that was clearly sarcasm. Did you not see that?
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Jesus' Four Failed Prophecies About Him Returning In The Lifetimes Of His Apostles
- Thread starter SeekingAllTruth
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You also seem to have a bit of a reading comprehension problem. You edited a quote of a post that was clearly sarcasm. Did you not see that?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
And no need for me to prove anything anymore. Thank you.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
That is what you BELIEVE.
Good luck with it.
samtonga43
Well-Known Member
LOL! You said that my beliefs are irrational. So you must know what my beliefs are, or you could not have described them as rational, irrational or anything else.
Come on now, SZ! Be rational!
Please point it out to me, SZ. Are you able to do this?
samtonga43
Well-Known Member
No luck involved, Tb. It is as Scripture says.
(You still haven't investigated the various different types of 'knowing', have you?)
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I don't care what your Scripture says, I have my own scripture.
There is more than ONE way of knowing.
“…….. Once in about a thousand years shall this City be renewed and readorned…
That City is none other than the Word of God revealed in every age and dispensation. In the days of Moses it was the Pentateuch; in the days of Jesus, the Gospel; in the days of Muhammad, the Messenger of God, the Qur’án; in this day, the Bayán; and in the Dispensation of Him Whom God will make manifest, His own Book—the Book unto which all the Books of former Dispensations must needs be referred, the Book that standeth amongst them all transcendent and supreme.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 269-270
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
And the inevitable dodge. I cannot be specific until you are specific. You have given more than enough evidence of an irrational belief by your response alone. Poor reading comprehension of someone that should not have that flaw is a clear indication of that. But you did slip very recently. You revealed that you believed in the Trinity. The Trinity is a belief that is neither properly biblical nor is it logical since it is self contradicting.
samtonga43
Well-Known Member
That's not a dodge SZ. Your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. Your claim is that my beliefs are irrational; however, you at a loss when you are asked to show me how.
Sorry, I just can't take you seriously.Once again, please provide proof.
samtonga43
Well-Known Member
LOL! As one 4-year old said to another.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
No, that is what an adult says to a Christian who believes that have the only scripture on earth.
I would like to say more but I do not want to get a moderator note.
For now, I'll just say that I believe that SZ is right on track.
The Bible is the primary reason for atheists.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Below is the proof that the Christian Trinity belief (that God is three Persons in One) is illogical.That's not a dodge SZ. Your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. Your claim is that my beliefs are irrational; however, you at a loss when you are asked to show me how.
Once again, please provide proof.
Question.—What is the meaning of the Trinity, of the Three Persons in One?
Answer.—The Divine Reality, which is purified and sanctified from the understanding of human beings and which can never be imagined by the people of wisdom and of intelligence, is exempt from all conception. That Lordly Reality admits of no division; for division and multiplicity are properties of creatures which are contingent existences, and not accidents which happen to the self-existent.
The Divine Reality is sanctified from singleness, then how much more from plurality. The descent of that Lordly Reality into conditions and degrees would be equivalent to imperfection and contrary to perfection, and is, therefore, absolutely impossible. It perpetually has been, and is, in the exaltation of holiness and sanctity. All that is mentioned of the Manifestations and Dawning-places of God signifies the divine reflection, and not a descent into the conditions of existence. 1
God is pure perfection, and creatures are but imperfections. For God to descend into the conditions of existence would be the greatest of imperfections. Some Answered Questions, pp. 113
There is a Trinity belief that is logical and you can read about it here: 27: THE TRINITY
To summarize that chapter:
God is One, not divided into parts.
The Holy Spirit is the Bounty of God, an emanation from God. God is like the sun and the Holy Spirit is like the rays of the sun. God remains in His own high place, and does not ever descend to earth.
The Holy Spirit is the Bounty of God which became visible and evident in Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ was like a clear mirror, and God became visible in the mirror, but God did not descend into the mirror. This is why Christ said, “The Father is in the Son,” meaning that the God was visible and manifest in this mirror.
SeekingAllTruth
Well-Known Member
Exactly! Ask a person why s/he's an atheist. 90% of the time they answer, "Because I read the Bible."No, that is what an adult says to a Christian who believes that have the only scripture on earth.
I would like to say more but I do not want to get a moderator note.
For now, I'll just say that I believe that SZ is right on track.
The Bible is the primary reason for atheists.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
And what does that SAY about the Bible?
I say no more because I don't want to get a moderator note or worse, in which case you and SZ would be left to fend for yourselves.
SeekingAllTruth
Well-Known Member
And what does that SAY about the Bible?
I say no more because I don't want to get a moderator note or worse, in which case you and SZ would be left to fend for yourselves.
I know the fear.
Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
You really believe that? It's how some Christians see the Bible, in my view, how they see everything in there as literal and the Old Testament as reliable history, and present it that way to others.
Also, both the fundamental Christian and the atheist are spiritually blind. They share that in common.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Yes, I really do believe that the Bible is the primary reason for atheists. The Bible has done far more damage to individuals and society than it has helped, and that includes all the Christians, not just fundamentalists, as well as the atheists. The Bible cannot be fixed Duane, nor can Christianity.
“This is the Day when the loved ones of God should keep their eyes directed towards His Manifestation, and fasten them upon whatsoever that Manifestation may be pleased to reveal. Certain traditions of bygone ages rest on no foundations whatever, while the notions entertained by past generations, and which they have recorded in their books, have, for the most part, been influenced by the desires of a corrupt inclination. Thou dost witness how most of the commentaries and interpretations of the words of God, now current amongst men, are devoid of truth. Their falsity hath, in some cases, been exposed when the intervening veils were rent asunder. They themselves have acknowledged their failure in apprehending the meaning of any of the words of God.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 171-172
No, atheists are not spiritually blind, they just have nothing to look at except the Bible because they believe (for whatever reason) that the Bible is the only Holy Book that ever existed. There is absolutely no need for the Bible anymore, we now have the Writings of Baha'u'llah. I would burn every Bible in the world if I could.
That is how I feel FWIW.And don't even get me started on Christians who continue to wait for Jesus to return because my nerves cannot take it. I think the Baha'is need to wake up and smell the coffee and realize that the primary reason for the lack of growth of the Baha'i Faith in the Western world is Christians, mainly because they are waiting for Jesus to return. Even though the Bible in no way supports their belief that the same man Jesus is going to return, as I have clearly demonstrated on this forum, it does not matter to Christians -- they want Jesus, period, and that is all that matters to them. They do not want to know the truth about the return of Christ, they just want Jesus.
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samtonga43
Well-Known Member
And so long as they read it literally and fail to be aware of the different genres in the Bible, atheists are no different from the fundies.
samtonga43
Well-Known Member
Sorry, Truthseeker. Looking back I can see that you 'said it first'.
Great minds?
Great minds?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
That's true but not all atheists interpret the Bible literally and the Bible still has inherent problems even if it is not interpreted literally.
So I still believe that the Bible is the primary reason for atheists.
samtonga43
Well-Known Member
The truthful answer would be that they read the Bible literally and without the understanding conveyed by the Holy Spirit.
Then they become infuriated and tell the world that they are atheists "Because I read the Bible."