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Is according to Jews everything God's will?

Skywalker

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As a wise man once said:
"I'm hurt. I mean, in my heart and soul, hurt. I feel like I spend time answering a specific question and helping you understand one point but you neither acknowledge my effort nor work any new information into your understanding. You just post something totally unrelated. It feels like rejection.

Now I am sad."

The Tanakh mentions the Messiah being born in Bethlehem. Al-Masihu Isa: God's Anointed Messiah


  • But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose origin is from of old, from ancient days. Micah 5.2
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
But what does any of that have to do with what you replied to???

Also, I'm Jewish, remember? Why quote from something Islamic?

It has to do with the Messiah and anointed one being the same person. It was a reply to this post

The word moshia literally means savior. The word mashiach literally means anointed. A moshia doesn't have to be anointed and a mashiach doesn't have to be a savior.
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
It has to do with the Messiah and anointed one being the same person. It was a reply to this post

The word moshia literally means savior. The word mashiach literally means anointed. A moshia doesn't have to be anointed and a mashiach doesn't have to be a savior.
I explained the difference between words. What does that have to with the Islamic view of some dude named Isa?
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
I was quoting an article that explained how the anointed one and Messiah are the same person.
But I explained in that post that messiah means anointed. What does that have to do with the linguistical difference between moshia and mashiach?
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
No, you asked what the difference is between two Hebrew words.
Is according to Jews everything God's will?

Before I said the anointed one is Jesus, you said

They are completely different words from different roots. One ends with an ayin, and one with a chet. Lumping them together would be the same as, in English, saying that "important" and "impotent" are the same because when people pronounce them, they sound similar.
 

rosends

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Before I said the anointed one is Jesus, you said

They are completely different words from different roots. One ends with an ayin, and one with a chet. Lumping them together would be the same as, in English, saying that "important" and "impotent" are the same because when people pronounce them, they sound similar.
Yes, I wrote that in response to your question, "What's the difference between Moshia and Messiah?"
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Because the text says so. 1 Sam 10:1

There's a difference between an anointed one and the anointed one. Al-Masihu Isa: God's Anointed Messiah


  • "Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time. And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off, and shall have nothing; and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary". Daniel 9.25-26.
Twice in this passage we read of a mashiah, "an anointed one", a prince who would appear, but who would suddenly be cut off. Right throughout the prophetic writings of the Old Testament one finds predictions of a coming one, a supreme deliverer, God's chosen servant, who would rule over his kingdom for ever. The use of the word mashiah in Daniel 9.25-26 led the Jews to coin a title for the coming Prince - ha Mashiah, "the Anointed One", the Messiah. A typical prophecy of his greatness and the extent of his dominion is found in this passage:




  • There shall come forth a shoot from the stump of Jesse, and a branch shall grow out of his roots. And the Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord. And his delight shall be in the fear of the Lord. Be shall not judge by what his eyes see, or decide by what his ears hear; but with righteousness he shall judge the poor, and decide with equity for the meek of the earth; and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips he shall slay the wicked. Righteousness shall be the girdle of his waist, and faithfulness the girdle of his loins. Isaiah 11.1-5.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Really? Can you show me that in the old testament?

The annointed one and the Messiah are the same person. Al-Masihu Isa: God's Anointed Messiah

Twice in this passage we read of a mashiah, "an anointed one", a prince who would appear, but who would suddenly be cut off. Right throughout the prophetic writings of the Old Testament one finds predictions of a coming one, a supreme deliverer, God's chosen servant, who would rule over his kingdom for ever. The use of the word mashiah in Daniel 9.25-26 led the Jews to coin a title for the coming Prince - ha Mashiah, "the Anointed One", the Messiah. A typical prophecy of his greatness and the extent of his dominion is found in this passage:

  • There shall come forth a shoot from the stump of Jesse, and a branch shall grow out of his roots. And the Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord. And his delight shall be in the fear of the Lord. Be shall not judge by what his eyes see, or decide by what his ears hear; but with righteousness he shall judge the poor, and decide with equity for the meek of the earth; and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips he shall slay the wicked. Righteousness shall be the girdle of his waist, and faithfulness the girdle of his loins. Isaiah 11.1-5.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Yes. Lots of people are named Moshe/Moise/Moishe/Moses etc. That's exactly my point with the name Jesus. It doesn't indicate any special status, it's just a name.
So right. Moses (Moishe) had a specific role. He, we know, was not perfect, meaning he made a mistake, an impetuous act, that cost him by God, although God Almighty had a very close relationship with him and used him mightily. Jesus as described in the gospel accounts plus more books, never made a mistake. So yes, a name is a name, but interestingly there is only one designated as "the" Christ, or Messiah. (Moshiach)
 
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