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Is according to Jews everything God's will?

YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
ayin said:
When David killed righteous Uriah, was it God's will? When Israel forsook their God, was it God's will? When a person sins, is it God's will? Is everything God's will, or is there also coincidence?
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Reading this now, I am rather sure that some would say things like sin was God's will.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
ayin said:
When David killed righteous Uriah, was it God's will? When Israel forsook their God, was it God's will? When a person sins, is it God's will? Is everything God's will, or is there also coincidence?
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Reading this now, I am rather sure that some would say things like sin was God's plan. Or something like that.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Harel13 said:
Actually, it doesn't. Assuming Jesus's real name was Yeshua, it's the masculine form of the word Yeshuah which means salvation. It doesn't say where the salvation comes from. One may argue that it derives from Yehoshua, which means what you said it means, but once derived, it means something else.
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If you know the truth, it will set you free. God alone gives a messiah, "the" Messiah.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Rival said:
If it were that simple, Christians would not have been arguing over it for the past 2,000 years.
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That is correct. To know the truth and be guided, one needs God's holy spirit. Otherwise, it's kind of like Adam and Eve.
 
rosends

rosends

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Skywalker said:
What's the difference between Moshia and Messiah?
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They are completely different words from different roots. One ends with an ayin, and one with a chet. Lumping them together would be the same as, in English, saying that "important" and "impotent" are the same because when people pronounce them, they sound similar.
 
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Skywalker

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rosends said:
They are completely different words from different roots. One ends with an ayin, and one with a chet. Lumping them together would be the same as, in English, saying that "important" and "impotent" are the same because when people pronounce them, they sound similar.
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The anointed one is Jesus. Al-Masihu Isa: God's Anointed Messiah

We have to turn to the Jewish Scriptures to find the real meaning of the title. It derives chiefly from the following prophecy:

  • "Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time. And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off, and shall have nothing; and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary". Daniel 9.25-26.
Twice in this passage we read of a mashiah, "an anointed one", a prince who would appear, but who would suddenly be cut off. Right throughout the prophetic writings of the Old Testament one finds predictions of a coming one, a supreme deliverer, God's chosen servant, who would rule over his kingdom for ever. The use of the word mashiah in Daniel 9.25-26 led the Jews to coin a title for the coming Prince - ha Mashiah, "the Anointed One", the Messiah. A typical prophecy of his greatness and the extent of his dominion is found in this passage:

  • There shall come forth a shoot from the stump of Jesse, and a branch shall grow out of his roots. And the Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord. And his delight shall be in the fear of the Lord. Be shall not judge by what his eyes see, or decide by what his ears hear; but with righteousness he shall judge the poor, and decide with equity for the meek of the earth; and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips he shall slay the wicked. Righteousness shall be the girdle of his waist, and faithfulness the girdle of his loins. Isaiah 11.1-5.
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Skywalker

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Harel13 said:
The word moshia literally means savior. The word mashiach literally means anointed. A moshia doesn't have to be anointed and a mashiach doesn't have to be a savior.
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The anointed one would be born in Bethlehem. Al-Masihu Isa: God's Anointed Messiah

The prophet Isaiah went on to say of him: "In that day the root of Jesse shall stand as an ensign to the peoples; him shall the nations seek, and his dwellings shall be glorious" (Isaiah 11.10). The prophecy clearly could not be applied to any of the prophets who were appearing at times among the people. It spoke of one man alone who would rule the whole earth and who, by the breath of his mouth alone, would slay the wicked. In another passage of the same prophecy we read that God himself said of this coming ruler:

  • "Behold my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom my soul delights; I have put my Spirit upon him, he will bring forth justice to the nations". Isaiah 42.1
One after the other the prophets of Israel foretold the coming of this supreme representative of God on earth who would bring the justice of God to the whole world and rule over it. Through another prophet God also spoke of the coming Anointed One and described his glory in these words:

  • "Behold the man whose name is the Branch: for he shall grow up in his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord. It is he who shall build the temple of the Lord, and shall bear royal honour, and shall sit and rule upon his throne". Zechariah 6.12-13.
The Jews began to realise that, whereas prophets arose at fairly regular intervals to declare the will of God, one great figure was to follow them all who would be far above all the prophets of God in honour and majesty. This supreme ruler was destined to be God's own chosen representative who would establish his kingdom and rule upon his throne. Through yet another prophet God foretold where he would be born:

  • But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose origin is from of old, from ancient days. Micah 5.2
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Harel13

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
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Premium Member
rosends said:
I'm hurt. I mean, in my heart and soul, hurt. I feel like I spend time answering a specific question and helping you understand one point but you neither acknowledge my effort nor work any new information into your understanding. You just post something totally unrelated. It feels like rejection.

Now I am sad.
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Turn the other cheek. Then you'll be saved.
 
Harel13

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
Skywalker said:
The anointed one would be born in Bethlehem. Al-Masihu Isa: God's Anointed Messiah
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As a wise man once said:
"I'm hurt. I mean, in my heart and soul, hurt. I feel like I spend time answering a specific question and helping you understand one point but you neither acknowledge my effort nor work any new information into your understanding. You just post something totally unrelated. It feels like rejection.

Now I am sad."
 
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Skywalker

Well-Known Member
rosends said:
I'm hurt. I mean, in my heart and soul, hurt. I feel like I spend time answering a specific question and helping you understand one point but you neither acknowledge my effort nor work any new information into your understanding. You just post something totally unrelated. It feels like rejection.

Now I am sad.
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I explained why I believe Jesus is the anointed one and why the anointed one is a Savior.
 
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