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Christians! Do you despise Abominations? There's only one left to hate....which?

Left Coast

This Is Water
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Premium Member
1. Matthew {9:13} But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not
sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

2. Both the Baptist and Jesus were offering cleansing and redemption from sins by immersion........ for nothing! They were attracting flocks of people and cutting off funds from the Temple.

That's not an idea...... I've read about it. :)

Matthew 9:13 is a quote of the Tanakh. Surely you don't think the Tanakh is against sacrifice, do you?

In another place in Matthew, Jesus said :

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-20
 

PureX

Veteran Member
As a non-religious Christian, I have no reason to care about the 'Laws of Moses' or any other religious depictions of "abomination". The idea of that kind of condemnation put me in mind of this somewhat obscure song written by Kris Kristofferson

 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I am sorry, but abominations do exist. Look at this example of a mixture of fabrics. Not even a male model can pull it off:

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pearl

Well-Known Member
So it is plain that Jesus did not see his followers as needing to be Jews, even though he and the Apostles were, of course.

I am one who believes that Jesus may have had no intention of establishing a new religion, but to renew his own.

“Do not give what is holy to dogs, or throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them underfoot, and turn and tear you to pieces."
I think its also possible that Jesus 'new' better who/what the Samaritan woman represented.

The Mosaic Pentateuch is the sole sacred book of the Israelite Samaritans. They consecrated only the Five Books of the Pentateuch. The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls in the Judean Desert, particularly scrolls found in Qumran Cave No.4, revealed Pentateuch texts scribed by Jews who had given up their urban life for a more isolated existence in the desert. Different versions of the Pentateuch existed. Some were scribed and delivered from generation to generation in the north of the land of Israel, the original home of the Israelite Samaritans. Others were scribed in the south of the Land of Israel, and formed the Jewish Masoretic Text.

Religion of the Israelite Samaritans : The Root of all Abrahamic Religions (israelite-samaritans.com)
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
See my addition to that post for further explanation.

It's not discarding the ones I personally want to break and it is not cherry-picking. As the articles I have linked explain, there is, and has been from the early days of Christianity, a coherent theology around what was retained from the Mosaic Law (e.g. the Ten Commandments) and what was considered unnecessary for Gentile converts to follow (e.g. dietary laws, circumcision).

The issue with Judaism is that it combines a religion and the culture of a people. So for the early Gentile Christians, it was necessary to disentangle the religious principles to keep from the cultural parts, which were considered optional or not required.

Fine! So why do so many Christians quote the Mosaic Laws at people??

Your ten Commandments are duplicated in the NT, but so many chuck OT law about, when it suits them. There are over 1000 rules, laws and commands issued in the New Testament but Christians ignore so many of the essential OT Laws as it suits them....... imo.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Not at all, and I don't think that is what I said. The approach is totally different because it is a different covenant, a different contract, an updated "Last Will and New (upgraded - improved - better promises) Testament".
....which is how so many Christians excuse there behaviour?
OK, I know that there are over 1000 rules, laws and commands for Christians in the New Testament but they leave out so many essentials from the OT, and insist on clinging to others. Ergo, some Christians 'duck 'n' dive' with their ideas about the laws.

So, for an example, "DON'T EAT SHELLFISH - IT IS AN ABOMINATION" has been changed to "`4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
They've all been changed! Wonderful!
So an ABOMINATION can become an 'OK, carry on!' guideline.

So the word ABOMINATION means nothing any more. I thank your God for that. So I'm hoping we won't be hearing any more bigotry from Christians over any of the OT Laws, just what Jesus ordered...... yes?
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I just read this post 3 times, and for the life of me, still have no idea of what you're talking about.

The thread title reads:-
Christians! Do you despise Abominations? There's only one left to hate....which?

 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Do you understand the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony? A Sacrament which the GOD ordained? The reason why it is so? What it can cause if it is not adhered to?
Yep........ I know all about that.


You think time phases out the Word of GOD? Any church that does so, is exposing themselves as not the church that GOD is building; simple.
Yes.... I do.
Jesus redacted at least 106 of the laws of Moses.
Christians redacted hundreds of them.

But you keep the whole lot, all 613 OT laws...... ok..... got it.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
There certainly was a reason (back then) for dietary laws. They didn't have the information that we have now such as the dangers of eating shell fish.

There was a reason back then for the 'men should not lay with men' law but the Israelites needed lots of children then, and needed closed couples. Today any closed couples are safe from sickness and so gays can marry. Easy.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Matthew 9:13 is a quote of the Tanakh. Surely you don't think the Tanakh is against sacrifice, do you?
I know that Jesus was! And the Baptist..... actions speak louder even than words.

In another place in Matthew, Jesus said :

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-20

Yes he did. So he wanted ALL the laws to be kept whilst totally dismissing the corrupt Temple practices and the whole fat, greedy corrupted Priesthood.

Get it?
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
As a non-religious Christian, I have no reason to care about the 'Laws of Moses' or any other religious depictions of "abomination". The idea of that kind of condemnation put me in mind of this somewhat obscure song written by Kris Kristofferson
But I expect that you do follow some of the hundreds of laws, possibly because they were repeated in the NT, yes?

There are over 1000 Christian rules and laws in the NT.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I am one who believes that Jesus may have had no intention of establishing a new religion, but to renew his own.

Bingo!!!!
Thank you.

The Christianity faith is mostly all about Paul and others. imo.
All Pauline.....
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Moving gently forward >>>>>>>>>>>>> !

Deuteronomy{18:10} There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, {18:11} Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. {18:12} For all that do these things [are] an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

These folks could gather massive attention which the priesthood wanted, and I guess that like today, some of them were frauds, but I have had a wonderful experience with a healer (1330 hrs GM, Monday 16th October 2017).
But none of them are going to hell!

So Christian Churches that treat Christian Spiritualists as evil might reconsider...?

On...... >>>>
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Deuteronomy{22:5} The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so [are] abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Danny la Rue would have been scandalised! Back in the day the whole emphasis was on having lot of children for a bigger more powerful people. Today transvestites can enjoy themselves in any clothing that they wish to wear, because we don't need the babies even if they themselves want one. And they won't go to hell.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Onwards>>>>>> gently onwards>>>>>>

Deuteronomy{23:18} Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these [are] abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Closed couples were auto isolation from transmission of any illness. You could catch a STD, but you won't go to hell if you do pay for sex today.

Can anybody explain the 'price of a dog' phrase to me? I'm quite lost there.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Onwards>>>>>> gently onwards>>>>>>

Deuteronomy{23:18} Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these [are] abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Closed couples were auto isolation from transmission of any illness. You could catch a STD, but you won't go to hell if you do pay for sex today.

Can anybody explain the 'price of a dog' phrase to me? I'm quite lost there.
I like some of the more modern translations because they properly interpret idioms and figures of speech:

Deuteronomy 23:18 You must not bring the wages of a prostitute, whether female or male, into the house of the LORD your God to fulfill any vow, because both are detestable to the LORD your God.

It tells you not to use money from a prostitute, male or female to pay one's offering.

EDIT: The link goes to a large range of translations, but it chose the NIV one.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I like some of the more modern translations because they properly interpret idioms and figures of speech:

Deuteronomy 23:18 You must not bring the wages of a prostitute, whether female or male, into the house of the LORD your God to fulfill any vow, because both are detestable to the LORD your God.

It tells you not to use money from a prostitute, male or female to pay one's offering.

EDIT: The link goes to a large range of translations, but it chose the NIV one.
Ah.... yes... the local Baptist Church uses the NIV and I was most taken with it. The first verse in G-Mark has a tagged warning to explain that early copies did not include 'the son of God'.

I need to buy an NIV but because of IT use I need to download a copy as well. I've downloaded G-Mark in NIV ..... just need to gather the rest of it!
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
And more yukky abominations....!! :)

Deuteronomy{24:4} Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that [is] abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee [for] an inheritance.

Closed Couples keep from any transmission of illness! These laws aren't about dancing with the devil, but about keeping the people healthy and strong. Once divorced a man could not touch his former wife again...... for reasons to do with tribal health. Easy.

No Hellfire if this law was bust, just the increased risk of sickness.
Every single law was about protection from sickness and weakness, and no hell fire at all, apart from some pains attached to some sicknesses. :)
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
We have nearly arrived at the last mentions of any abominations in Deuteronomy.....

Deuteronomy{25:14} Thou shalt not have in thine house divers measures, a great and a small. {25:15} [But] thou shalt have a perfect and just weight, a perfect and just measure shalt thou have: that thy days may be lengthened in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. {25:16} For all that do such things, [and] all that do unrighteously, [are] an abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Oh Wow! We've finally found an abomination which is a cheating thieving kind.

Now why do so many Christians focus upon the 'man lying with man' law whilst totally ignoring the above? The law above is a crime today, just as before. I think that this is the one that deserves most attention.
 
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