Ken Hams Worst case scenario. Ark held 7000 animals inside.

[Shadow Wolf]

Oh how I love this.


How Many Animals Were On Noah’s Ark?

Since Ark Encounter opened and is touted as a replica of the actual ark of Noah, citing a scientific foundation as well as religious, an interesting question now arises in regards to Ken Hams pet project now that's its properly established.

If this is meant to be an actual representation to scale of Noah's ark then that must include the representation of animals to scale inside the ark as well.

It leads me to the question I have since spring and summer is approaching.

Has anyone ever counted the animals inside Ken Hams ark? Are there actually 7000 replicas of every species on earth inside Kens ark right now if I were to go to Kentucky to gawk at this sight?

Has anyone actually counted them yet and informed Ken he needs to put more animals inside? Don't forget the food and supplies for such a journey, but for now, I'm willing to forget that aspect and just want to know if there are presently 7000 replicas made to scale inside this ark masquerading as a Biblical museum.

If not, then why?


How Did Noah Fit All the Animals on the Ark?



Otherwise this is not even a good proof

I'll put it this way:
The youth pastor where I last went to church did some math and concluded the Kingdom, per the Bible's stated dimensions, is about the size of Texas. He then concluded that in Kingdom we'll be about the size of a finger so we'll all fit.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yeah I think even biblical scholars would say that it was a regional flood now. Didn't Gilgamesh have a massive flood?

Yes. Gilgamesh was the basis for Noah's flood.

 

[Rival]

Yes. Gilgamesh was the basis for Noah's flood.

Actually this isn't so clear cut. Most if not all cultures have flood myths. It's doubtful they all came from one source and more likely they're based off a real event and infused with local religious and cultural underpinnings.

 

[exchemist]

It does seem to support the interpretations of the global flood views.

Er not really, since we have overwhelming evidence that these continents were once joined, before these oceans existed.

 

[Secret Chief]

Er not really, since we have overwhelming evidence that these continents were once joined, before these oceans existed.

Pangaea surrounded by the Panthalassa.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Disagreements over interpretions of the evidence, Biblical, historcal and scientific. There is evidence which is being interperted as flood evidence for various views.

There is no reliable evidence for flood beliefs. This is a topic that falls into the realm of science. The standard for that area is scientific evidence and to even begin to have scientific evidence one must first have a testable hypothesis.

What testable hypothesis is there for the flood of Noah?

 

[ChristineM]

I'll put it this way:
The youth pastor where I last went to church did some math and concluded the Kingdom, per the Bible's stated dimensions, is about the size of Texas. He then concluded that in Kingdom we'll be about the size of a finger so we'll all fit.

Want to know an interesting fact or two?

If every person on earth was crammed together atanding front to back, shoulder to shoulder we would all fit on the isle of white (about 150 ml²)

Take all the space our of the atoms in each of those people so you are just left with squashed up protons, electrons and neutrons and you would have a super dense lump of people about the size of a sugar cube

 

[Aštra’el]

Yeah I think even biblical scholars would say that it was a regional flood now. Didn't Gilgamesh have a massive flood?

Utnapishtim is a character in Gilgamesh’s story, who during Gilgamesh’s journey reveals to him how he survived a deluge with divine help (Enlil sought to destroy humanity with a massive flood, Enki told Utnapishtim how he and a small group of people and animals might survive). The account is nearly identical to Noah’s myth but with some small key differences. However, The Epic of Gilgamesh is not about a flood, it’s a story about a hero’s quest for immortality. The Utnapishtim part is only a small chapter of a much larger story.

 

[tarasan]

Utnapishtim is a character in Gilgamesh’s story, who during Gilgamesh’s journey reveals to him how he survived a deluge with divine help (Enlil sought to destroy humanity with a massive flood, Enki told Utnapishtim how he and a small group of people and animals might survive). The account is nearly identical to Noah’s myth but with some small key differences. However, The Epic of Gilgamesh is not about a flood, it’s a story about a hero’s quest for immortality. The Utnapishtim part is only a small chapter of a much larger story.

Thanks for the info buddy the story is only something I'm vaguely aware of. So thanks for the clarification

 

[gnostic]

Well if the actual global flood took place over some 100 or so millions of years ago. Then what does it do to those other younger (YEC) interpretations? These arguments are over interpretations of the evidences. OEC think that the Noah's flood was a universal but local flood of some kind.

It isn’t merely interpretations of evidence.

The motion of the plate tectonics and the continental drift are real, and they are all still moving at different rates.

At some point before the Triassic period, the supercontinent Pangaea all the tectonics were joined together, then around 200 million years ago, Pangaea split into 2: Laurasia and Gondwana.

Laurasia included the Eurasia and North America plates, while the Gondwana would include everything else that we now identified as South America, Africa, Australia, Antarctica, and the subcontinents of Indian and Arabia.

In Early Jurassic, Gondwana split into East Gondwana (Australia, Antarctica, India and Madagascar) and West Gondwana (South America and Africa) around 180-170 million years ago. But before such split happened, it would explain why marsupials only exist in today’s Australia and South America, when the two Gondwana were joined.

Then around 132 million years ago (Early Cretaceous), West Gondwana split what we now know now as South America and Africa, which separated about 100 million years ago; this later separation caused the Atlantic Ocean become increasingly wider.

And around 120 million years ago India and Madagascar split from Australia and Antarctica.

India and Madagascar were separated at some point with the later moving westward towards Africa and the former (Indian subcontinent) were moving northward to later China’s Tibetan Plateau.

So before Indian tectonic joined with Eurasian tectonic, there was ocean flood that separated the two. By the Late Cretaceous (70 to 55 million years ago), these two tectonics were already causing pressures on the ocean flood to lift and fold, as the Indian tectonic continued to move northward 15 cm per year. More of the sea that separated the two tectonics began to shrink, the more sedimentary rocks began to rise above sea level, at 38 million years ago, then contacted with southwest China, around 10 million years ago.

The Indian tectonic continued to push northward, thereby forming the Himalayas. The Himalayas is quite young, when you compared it against the Andes Mountains of South America. Even in this last 2 centuries, the Indian tectonic is still pushing northward into the Tibetan Plateau about 67 mm per year, causing Everest rising about 5 mm per year. Everest was only 24-25 metres shorter 5000 years ago when comparing today’s elevation.

And speaking of the Andes, the geological evidence of higher altitude of these mountains have have glaciers, but no rain have been detected for over a million years in the higher region.

Humans weren’t around when the Himalayas was underwater.

And as I said to you in my last reply, fossilisation don’t occur on bones less than 10,000 years old, and according to the calculations between the fall of Jerusalem (587 BCE) to the Flood, based on the Masoretic Text (in which most modern translations of the Old Testament), about 1840 years separated these two events, which would mean the Flood would be estimated to about 2430 BCE, hence roughly 4500 years ago.

There would be no fossilisation occurring less 4500 years ago, and to date, no fossils were ever found that are less than 10,000 years old. Hence, the fossils of marine animals would have to predated before humans, and since the Himalayas was ocean flood prior to 10 million years ago, then these fossils must be much older.

I know that creationists don’t rely on logic and evidence, but there were never a global flood around 2430 BCE, and no global flood, period.

 

[Colt]

If someone fit get 25 undocumented Democrats into a Ford Expedition then......

 

[gnostic]

Well if the actual global flood took place over some 100 or so millions of years ago. Then what does it do to those other younger (YEC) interpretations? These arguments are over interpretations of the evidences. OEC think that the Noah's flood was a universal but local flood of some kind.

You are still missing the points, 37818.

Genesis 10 claimed that many of the civilizations only exist AFTER the Flood. But in Egypt and Mesopotamia, archaeology showed that there unbroken history of Egyptian culture and Sumerian culture that predated the imaginary Flood of 2430 BCE.

Did you even bother to read part where I mentioned both Uruk/Erech and Kalhu/Calah?

Archaeology showed that the earliest construction of settlement of Uruk is 7000 years ago and Kalhu (which OT called Calah) was constructed 3200 years ago. It is not possible for 1 man (Nimrod) to built both of these cities.

From around 4000 BCE to 2500 BCE, Uruk was a major city. Then around 2200 BCE, Uruk declined during the Akkadian dynasty. But Genesis 10 say Uruk or Erech don’t exist, until Nimrod a great grandson of Noah built the major cities in both Sumer/Babylonia and Assyria.

That alone, the archaeology prove Genesis is nothing more than a myth.

Another myth, with claiming that in Abraham’s time, the Chaldeans lived in Southern Babylonia, hence early 2nd millennium BCE, but Chaldeans would exist in this region, until almost a thousand years later.

That tell us the Genesis was most likely written in the mid-1st century BCE, hence in the Iron Age, not written by Moses in the Late Bronze Age (starting around 1550 BCE). That also tell us, Moses didn’t write Genesis and Exodus, and Moses was most likely a mythological and fictional character.

 

[Clara Tea]

Oh how I love this.


How Many Animals Were On Noah’s Ark?

Since Ark Encounter opened and is touted as a replica of the actual ark of Noah, citing a scientific foundation as well as religious, an interesting question now arises in regards to Ken Hams pet project now that's its properly established.

If this is meant to be an actual representation to scale of Noah's ark then that must include the representation of animals to scale inside the ark as well.

It leads me to the question I have since spring and summer is approaching.

Has anyone ever counted the animals inside Ken Hams ark? Are there actually 7000 replicas of every species on earth inside Kens ark right now if I were to go to Kentucky to gawk at this sight?

Has anyone actually counted them yet and informed Ken he needs to put more animals inside? Don't forget the food and supplies for such a journey, but for now, I'm willing to forget that aspect and just want to know if there are presently 7000 replicas made to scale inside this ark masquerading as a Biblical museum.

If not, then why?


How Did Noah Fit All the Animals on the Ark?



Otherwise this is not even a good proof

Does Ham have a personal vendetta? Were the pigs on the ark kosher?

 

[gnostic]

Does Ham have a personal vendetta? Were the pigs on the ark kosher?

Are you saying, is Ken “kosher”?

 

[37818]

It isn’t merely interpretations of evidence.

You are still missing the points, 37818.

That evidence from the science and the archeology and yes the Bible still have interpretions.

 

[firedragon]

40% of American citizens believe this tosh; is it any wonder they also believe Trump is good and QAnon is true.

Is it only 40%

 

[Altfish]

Is it only 40%

I didn't want to claim more and be accused of exaggeration. Wasn't the US second only to Turkey in believing in Creationism?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I didn't want to claim more and be accused of exaggeration. Wasn't the US second only to Turkey in believing in Creationism?

In a study of European countries and the U.S. yes. The study that you are talking about did not include Asia, Africa, Australia and the rest of the New World.

 

[firedragon]

I didn't want to claim more and be accused of exaggeration. Wasn't the US second only to Turkey in believing in Creationism?

As far as I know, at least 75% in the U.S are belonging to some religion.

I now since you said "creationists" I dont know what you are referring to.

 

[Altfish]

In a study of European countries and the U.S. yes. The study that you are talking about did not include Asia, Africa, Australia and the rest of the New World.

Yes, that's the one