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Ken Hams Worst case scenario. Ark held 7000 animals inside.

exchemist

Veteran Member
It is a real issue. sedimentary rock cannot be dated directly. Post flood igneous rock which as molten rock had incroached into the sediment must be used to date it. Which theoretically sets a lower date for the sediment at that location.
Yes it's true that direct radiometric dating of sedimentary rocks is hard to do, though there are other ways to gauge their age. But what location or locations are you talking about?

And you mention the same fossils being found on both sides of the N and S Atlantic oceans. Surely this is exactly what you would expect, isn't it?
 
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sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
A quick gawk at the website declares that the Bible says "kinds", not "species." And of course kinds are a broader category. An excellent get-out clause if I might say. He should have said there were just, say, four kinds of animal. Probably small ones. Then he wouldn't have needed an ark, he could have got away with a canoe.
Only in America.

Good one. Google told me this: Scientists have recently estimated that there are approximately 8.7 million species on Earth. They believe that 1-2 million of those species are animals.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
From a global flood view all our highest mountains of today are post flood mountains. Post flood sea fossils being found on top of those mountains.
Ah, the fossils found in the Himalayas are over 15 million years old, so it had nothing to with imaginary Flood that happened (also imaginary) less than 4500 years ago.

Plus, if you understood fossilisation, there are no animals preserved in fossilized-state of less than 10,000 years old. Again that would also refute fish fossils being in imaginary Flood less than 4500 years ago.

Second. Book 10 in Genesis, clearly stated that Egypt didn’t exist before, but Egyptian civilizations predated the imaginary Flood over 600 years (eg 3100 BCE) and Egyptian culture by at least 1500 years. Take for instance, the first pyramid was built by Djoser from the 3rd dynasty, known as the Step Pyramid in Saqqara, hence predating the Flood by about 200 years (2670 BCE). (Note that the Great Pyramid was built in Giza for Khufu, in the 4th dynasty, but it wasn’t the oldest pyramid.)

The city of Uruk, which is known as Erech in other translations (eg KJV), was first occupied around 5000 BCE (hence around 7000 years ago), but Uruk was a flourishing Neolithic city, throughout the 4th millennium BCE, where temples to goddess Inanna, around 3500 BCE.

Uruk/Erech in Genesis 10, say that Nimrod built his city, which is certainly isn’t true, as of Babylon, Calah (Kalhu), Nineveh, and Asshur. Each of these cities were first constructed in different times, so there are no way that one person would have constructed these cities.

Like I said the first settlement in Uruk was 5000 BCE, while Calah/Kalhu was built by Shalmaneser I, around 1250 BCE. So unless Nimrod lived for about 370 years, I don’t think Nimrod is real person, therefore Genesis 10 is a complete myth, just Genesis 7 & 8.
 

37818

Active Member
And you mention the same fossils being found on both sides of the N and S Atlantic oceans. Surely this is exactly what you would expect, isn't it?
It does seem to support the interpretations of the global flood views.
 

37818

Active Member
Ah, the fossils found in the Himalayas are over 15 million years old, so it had nothing to with imaginary Flood that happened (also imaginary) less than 4500 years ago.

Plus, if you understood fossilisation, there are no animals preserved in fossilized-state of less than 10,000 years old. Again that would also refute fish fossils being in imaginary Flood less than 4500 years ago.

Second. Book 10 in Genesis, clearly stated that Egypt didn’t exist before, but Egyptian civilizations predated the imaginary Flood over 600 years (eg 3100 BCE) and Egyptian culture by at least 1500 years. Take for instance, the first pyramid was built by Djoser from the 3rd dynasty, known as the Step Pyramid in Saqqara, hence predating the Flood by about 200 years (2670 BCE). (Note that the Great Pyramid was built in Giza for Khufu, in the 4th dynasty, but it wasn’t the oldest pyramid.)

The city of Uruk, which is known as Erech in other translations (eg KJV), was first occupied around 5000 BCE (hence around 7000 years ago), but Uruk was a flourishing Neolithic city, throughout the 4th millennium BCE, where temples to goddess Inanna, around 3500 BCE.

Uruk/Erech in Genesis 10, say that Nimrod built his city, which is certainly isn’t true, as of Babylon, Calah (Kalhu), Nineveh, and Asshur. Each of these cities were first constructed in different times, so there are no way that one person would have constructed these cities.

Like I said the first settlement in Uruk was 5000 BCE, while Calah/Kalhu was built by Shalmaneser I, around 1250 BCE. So unless Nimrod lived for about 370 years, I don’t think Nimrod is real person, therefore Genesis 10 is a complete myth, just Genesis 7 & 8.
Well if the actual global flood took place over some 100 or so millions of years ago. Then what does it do to those other younger (YEC) interpretations? These arguments are over interpretations of the evidences. OEC think that the Noah's flood was a universal but local flood of some kind.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Disagreements over interpretions of the evidence, Biblical, historcal and scientific. There is evidence which is being interperted as flood evidence for various views.


Nope, the evidence is incontrovertible.

Measurements and various forms od dating agree, dna is specific ans does not lie.

There is no evidence of a global flood, none.
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
Are there actually 7000 replicas of every species on earth inside Kens ark right now if I were to go to Kentucky to gawk at this sight?
When I read this, I thought you meant 7000 of every single species - 7000 lions, 7000 rhinos, etc. Then I read the link - 7000 animals total...
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
Premium Member
When I read this, I thought you meant 7000 of every single species - 7000 lions, 7000 rhinos, etc. Then I read the link - 7000 animals total...
I can see why Noach would want to drink himself into a stupor after that...
 
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tarasan

Well-Known Member
My interpretation is that the Noah flood myth is derived from the earlier Mesopotamian flood myths about Utnapishtim/ Atrahasis which were probably originally written after a catastrophic regional flood. In those versions of the flood, it was not all the animals of the earth. The inhabitants on board the ark were the protagonist and his family, village craftsman, and some livestock.

Yeah I think even biblical scholars would say that it was a regional flood now. Didn't Gilgamesh have a massive flood?
 
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