Is according to Jews everything God's will?

[Skywalker]

Yes, I know. Your statement is again Avodah Zara. You are on fire. Keep up the good work.

Saying that Christ was a mere man to support the belief that he is, is circular reasoning.

 

[Skywalker]

Didn't you admit earlier that you don't know Hebrew? Did you all of a sudden get fluent? If so, can you translate the following and tell me where it comes from? Thanks.

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The Tanakh and Hebrew Bible have many of the same details.

 

[Ehav4Ever]

Daniel 9:27 talks about the second temple being desecrated by the Romans.

If that is your claim can you translate the following and tell me where it comes from within 30 minutes?

 

[Ehav4Ever]

The Tanakh and Hebrew Bible have many of the same details.

Then prove your knowledge base for such by translating the sections of the Tanakh I posted. You have read it in Hebrew, right?

 

[Ehav4Ever]

Saying that Christ was a mere man to support the belief that he is, is circular reasoning.

Hey you used an Avodah Zara word in that statement. Keep up the good work.

 

[Skywalker]

No it doesn't.

The Scriptures also say that the Messiah would be rejected by his own people and would seem to fail in his mission but would be a light to the nations.

 

[rosends]

The destruction of the second temple is foretold in the Old Testament.

Daniel 9:27



Daniel 11:31

Oh, so you just don't understand Daniel. That's easy enough to fix -- here.

Their 70 Weeks Exposed - Source Book

 

[Skywalker]

Hey you used an Avodah Zara word in that statement. Keep up the good work.

Jesus appeared to Abraham in the Old Testament near Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

[rosends]

The Scriptures also say that the Messiah would be rejected by his own people and would seem to fail in his mission but would be a light to the nations.

No, no it doesn't. You are back at post 88 again.

 

[Skywalker]

Then prove your knowledge base for such by translating the sections of the Tanakh I posted. You have read it in Hebrew, right?

This verse is in the Tanakh. Isaiah 53:3

He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

 

[Skywalker]

Oh, so you just don't understand Daniel. That's easy enough to fix -- here.

Their 70 Weeks Exposed - Source Book

if Jesus isn't the Messiah, there will never be a Messiah. Jesus came at the same exact time that it was said that the Messiah would come. Daniel 9:25

that from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, there shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublesome times.

History does not record anyone, other than Jesus, who was from that time period and claimed to be the Messiah.

 

[Skywalker]

No, no it doesn't. You are back at post 88 again.

Jesus came before the destruction of the second temple. Messianic Prophecies Fulfilled by Yeshua

Messiah cut off before destruction of the sanctuary.
Tenakh/Hebrew Scripture
Daniel 9:24-26, Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks: and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

The temple was destroyed in 70 A.D.--after the death of the Messiah.

Rejected by Israel.
Tenakh/Hebrew Scripture
Isaiah 8:14, And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

Psalm 118:22-23, The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner. This is the LORD's doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.

Isaiah 28:16, Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation...

 

[rosends]

if Jesus isn't the Messiah, there will never be a Messiah. Jesus came at the same exact time that it was said that the Messiah would come. Daniel 9:25

Feel free to believe that then because Jesus wasn't. Daniel was talking about someone else entirely. Did you even read what I linked to?

History does not record anyone, other than Jesus, who was from that time period and claimed to be the Messiah.

Well, if you mean, during the time period around Jesus, then what about this guy? Or these 3 I found on wikipedia (c'mon...you could have done a little research...)

• Theudas (?- c. 46 CE), led an unsuccessful short-lived revolt against Rome somewhere between 44 and 46 CE. Mentioned by Josephus.
• Simon of Peraea (?- died c. 5 BCE -15 CE), former slave of Herod the Great (74/73 BCE - c. 4 BCE), led a Jewish revolt. Mentioned by Josephus.
• Athronges, leader of a Jewish insurrection against Herod Archelaus (23 BCE - c 18 CE).

here is a book on the subject. And another discussion. Do you need me to research anything else for you?

 

[Skywalker]

Feel free to believe that then because Jesus wasn't. Daniel was talking about someone else entirely. Did you even read what I linked to?



Well, if you mean, during the time period around Jesus, then what about this guy? Or these 3 I found on wikipedia (c'mon...you could have done a little research...)

• Theudas (?- c. 46 CE), led an unsuccessful short-lived revolt against Rome somewhere between 44 and 46 CE. Mentioned by Josephus.
• Simon of Peraea (?- died c. 5 BCE -15 CE), former slave of Herod the Great (74/73 BCE - c. 4 BCE), led a Jewish revolt. Mentioned by Josephus.
• Athronges, leader of a Jewish insurrection against Herod Archelaus (23 BCE - c 18 CE).

here is a book on the subject. And another discussion. Do you need me to research anything else for you?

None of those people fulfilled these prophecies. Messianic Prophecies Fulfilled by Yeshua

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  [*]Messiah cut off before destruction of the sanctuary.
  Tenakh/Hebrew Scripture
  Daniel 9:24-26, Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks: and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
  
  The temple was destroyed in 70 A.D.--after the death of the Messiah.
  
  
  
  
  [*]Perfect sacrifice.
  Tenakh/Hebrew Scripture
  Leviticus 16 details how the priest is to give atonement for the sins of the people by shedding the blood of animals. These animals were substitutionary sacrifices. Moses's actions picture what Christ would do on the cross as the perfect sacrifice- deity in human form without sin and without blemish.
  
  Br'it Chadashah/New Covenant
  II Corinthians 5:21, For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
  
  John 1:29, ...Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
  
  I Peter 1:18-19, ...redeemed with...the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.
  
  Unlike the blood of goats which had to be offered once a year in atonement, Christ takes away our sins for eternity.

 

[Skywalker]

Feel free to believe that then because Jesus wasn't. Daniel was talking about someone else entirely. Did you even read what I linked to?



Well, if you mean, during the time period around Jesus, then what about this guy? Or these 3 I found on wikipedia (c'mon...you could have done a little research...)

• Theudas (?- c. 46 CE), led an unsuccessful short-lived revolt against Rome somewhere between 44 and 46 CE. Mentioned by Josephus.
• Simon of Peraea (?- died c. 5 BCE -15 CE), former slave of Herod the Great (74/73 BCE - c. 4 BCE), led a Jewish revolt. Mentioned by Josephus.
• Athronges, leader of a Jewish insurrection against Herod Archelaus (23 BCE - c 18 CE).

here is a book on the subject. And another discussion. Do you need me to research anything else for you?

Who made a reconciliation for iniquity that wasn't Jesus? Messianic Prophecies Fulfilled by Yeshua

Messiah cut off before destruction of the sanctuary.
Tenakh/Hebrew Scripture
Daniel 9:24-26, Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks: and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

The temple was destroyed in 70 A.D.--after the death of the Messiah.

 

[rosends]

None of those people fulfilled these prophecies. Messianic Prophecies Fulfilled by Yeshua

Jesus didn't fulfill messianic prophecies.

https://judaism.stackexchange.com/a/76093/1362

 

[rosends]

Who made a reconciliation for iniquity that wasn't Jesus? Messianic Prophecies Fulfilled by Yeshua

If you want to continue misunderstanding who the messiah will be and what he will do, there is nothing I can do for you.

 

[Skywalker]

Jesus didn't fulfill messianic prophecies.

https://judaism.stackexchange.com/a/76093/1362

How did Jesus not fulfill these prophecies? Messianic Prophecies Fulfilled by Yeshua

• • Daniel 9:24-26, Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks: and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
    
    The temple was destroyed in 70 A.D.--after the death of the Messiah.
    
    
    
    
  • Perfect sacrifice.
    Tenakh/Hebrew Scripture
    Leviticus 16 details how the priest is to give atonement for the sins of the people by shedding the blood of animals. These animals were substitutionary sacrifices. Moses's actions picture what Christ would do on the cross as the perfect sacrifice- deity in human form without sin and without blemish.
    
    Br'it Chadashah/New Covenant
    II Corinthians 5:21, For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
    
    John 1:29, ...Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
    
    I Peter 1:18-19, ...redeemed with...the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.
    
    Unlike the blood of goats which had to be offered once a year in atonement, Christ takes away our sins for eternity.

 

[Skywalker]

If you want to continue misunderstanding who the messiah will be and what he will do, there is nothing I can do for you.

The Messiah in the Old Testament is described as a Savior. Messianic Prophecies Fulfilled by Yeshua

• Man of sorrows who was wounded for our transgressions.
  Tenakh/Hebrew Scripture
  Isaiah 53:4-5, Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
  
  Isaiah 53:10 says, Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, and he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
  
  Isaiah 53:12 says, ...he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
  
  Isaiah 53:8, ...for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
  
  Br'it Chadashah/New Covenant
  II Corinthians 5:21..he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
  
  I John 2:2, And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
  
  I John 3:5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
  
  I Peter 2:24, Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree [cross], that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
  
  
  
  
• Messiah is the Son of God.
  Tenakh/Hebrew Scripture
  Psalm 2:7, I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
  
  Proverbs 30:4, Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
  
  Br'it Chadashah/New Covenant
  John 3:16, For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.
  
  Luke 3, ...a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
  

Even the Messiah being described as a man of sorrows wounded for our transgressions supports the Messiah being God because only God is a Savior.

 

[rosends]

How did Jesus not fulfill these prophecies? Messianic Prophecies Fulfilled by Yeshua

if you want to rely on those misstatements and ignore what I sent, then that's on you.