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Is according to Jews everything God's will?

Skywalker

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My argument proves that NO messiah (and there will only be one) will come a second time. The job of the messiah is to rule during the messianic age. A contender will either do that or he won't. Jesus did not.

It is said that how the Messiah arrives depends on the state of the People of Israel. If we are observant/obedient, he will arrive in glory on a horse. If we are unfaithful/disobedient, he will only come riding a donkey.

Jesus entered Jerusalem on a donkey. Jesus said in Matthew 23:37

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under herwings, but you were not willing!
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
My argument proves that NO messiah (and there will only be one) will come a second time. The job of the messiah is to rule during the messianic age. A contender will either do that or he won't. Jesus did not.

It is said that how the Messiah arrives depends on the state of the People of Israel. If we are observant/obedient, he will arrive in glory on a horse. If we are unfaithful/disobedient, he will only come riding a donkey.

Jesus will come on a white horse in the future when 1/3 of Israel is saved when Israel is heavily evangelized during the Tribulation. When Jesus came the first time and his own rejected him, he came on a donkey.
 

Skywalker

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That's because you have never read the Tanakh in Hebrew, as you admitted in another thread. The NT is 100% Avodah Zara, as Hashem explained it at Mount Sinai. That is why during the inquisition so many Jews resisted forced converstions to Christianity. That is also why the original Jewish Christians couldn't keep themselves around more than 2 generations.

How is the belief of a foretold Messiah having teachings Avodah Zara?
 

Ehav4Ever

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How is the belief of a foretold Messiah having teachings Avodah Zara?

Greetings. You do know what the term Avodah Zara means, right?

I will explain.
  1. The concept of "messiah" that is put forth in the New Testament is Avodah Zara. I.e. the meaning of the word (and what kind of individual it is supposed to describe) put forth by the NT is Avodah Zara.
  2. Further, statements made by the NT authors about Jesus are Avodah Zara.
  3. The future expectations taught by various NT authors from Matthew to Revelations and how they have been historically interpreted from the time they were written, to the Church Father's allucidations on them, and how they are perceived today are Avodah Zara.
For example, the following statements made in the NT are a few examples of Avodah Zara concepts in the NT text.

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Thus, Torath Mosheh Jews and Orthodox Jews were warned by Hashem to stay away from such.

I hope that helps.
 
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Skywalker

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All Christians agree that Jesus was a man. Now, you worship Jesus as God do you not? That, for Jews, is avodah zarah. You asked, and now you have been answered.

Isaiah 53:3 describes the Messiah as a man of sorrows. Isaiah 53:3

"He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not."
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
There you go. You just answered one of the reasons why it is Avodah Zara. See, you didn't need us to tell you that.

I was saying that that comment was under the assumption that Jesus is a mere man, and the opinion was based on that, which is circular reasoning.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
I was saying that that comment was under the assumption that Jesus is a mere man, and the opinion was based on that, which is circular reasoning.
but saying that he was not a "mere man" is the essence of the problem, so by saying that limiting Jesus to "mere man" is a bad assumption, you are confirming the problem.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Greetings. You do know what the term Avodah Zara means, right?

I will explain.
  1. The concept of "messiah" that is put forth in the New Testament is Avodah Zara. I.e. the meaning of the word (and what kind of individual it is supposed to describe) put forth by the NT is Avodah Zara.
  2. Further, statements made by the NT authors about Jesus are Avodah Zara.
  3. The future expectations taught by various NT authors from Matthew to Revelations and how they have been historically interpreted from the time they were written, to the Church Father's allucidations on them, and how they are perceived today are Avodah Zara.
For example, the following statements made in the NT are a few examples of Avodah Zara concepts in the NT text.

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Thus, Torath Mosheh Jews and Orthodox Jews were warned by Hashem to stay away from such.

I hope that helps.

the Tanakh says that the Messiah would come before the destruction of the second temple. First he would come to do a,b, and c and the second time he would do x, y , and z. The idea of the second coming of the Messiah is supported in the Tanakh. It's where teachings like there are two messiahs come from, which neither me or other people on this thread agree with. I don't agree with that teaching, but truth and lies are mixed and the idea of a second coming is implied in the Tanakh. Does the Old Testament truly predict a second advent of the Messiah? | GotQuestions.org

Question: "Does the Old Testament truly predict a second advent of the Messiah?"

Answer:
The Old Testament does prophesy the second coming of Christ, also referred to as the second advent of the Messiah. Some Old Testament prophecies concern the first advent, when Christ was born as a human being. Others concern the second advent, which is the ultimate triumph of this Messiah. It’s important to remember that prophecy does not describe the future in the same detail as history describes the past. So, while the prophecies of the Old Testament certainly describe both the first and second advents, most early interpretations of these prophecies melded them into a single event. Particularly during the years leading up to Jesus’ birth, it was assumed Messiah would be a political/military figure with an immediate worldly kingdom (Luke 19:11). In the light of Jesus’ ministry, it is possible to understand the true purpose of Christ and the real nature of His kingdom.
 

Ehav4Ever

Well-Known Member
I was saying that that comment was under the assumption that Jesus is a mere man, and the opinion was based on that, which is circular reasoning.

Yes, I know. Your statement is again Avodah Zara. You are on fire. Keep up the good work.

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Skywalker

Well-Known Member
No it doesn't.

The destruction of the second temple is foretold in the Old Testament.

Daniel 9:27

And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.”

Daniel 11:31

Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation.

Source: 13 Bible verses about The Second Temple
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
If you really know what the Tanakh says can you please translate the following for me in one hour?

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Daniel 9:27 talks about the second temple being desecrated by the Romans.

And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.”
 
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