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Covid 1.9 Trillion dollar relief and gifts galore

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
I'm all for relief but... really?
  • Directing $350 billion to bailout states like New York, California and Illinois at the expense of states that are open like Florida,
  • Providing another $127 billion for schools with no requirements for schools to actually reopen (According to the CBO only $6 billion of this will be spent in 2021).
  • Spending taxpayer funding for abortions and abortion providers,
  • Earmarking $112 million for an underground subway for Big Tech’s employees, in Silicon Valley,
  • Spending nearly a billion in foreign aid, and
  • Providing hundreds of millions for endowments for the arts and humanities.
  • $480 million for Native American language preservation and maintenance
  • $50 million in environmental justice grants.
I enjoy the statement at

Fact check: Breaking down spending in the COVID-19 relief bill

More than 99% of the American Rescue Plan is going to Americans, though some of that falls in the category of political “pork.” An analysis by a nonpartisan group found about 85% of the bill is related to the pandemic.

Let me break this down"

99% is going to Americans (doesn't matter that "pork" is in it- we will just close our eyes on that)
Another group 85% says related to pandemic - translated - the above 99% is a white-wash and its OK to have 15% pork


Couldn't they just make "Covid relief bill" a Covid relief bill?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's why I think earmarks and riders should be banned from all bills.

If not, then put toys back into cereal boxes. It's for the children.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
I'm all for relief but... really?
  • Directing $350 billion to bailout states like New York, California and Illinois at the expense of states that are open like Florida,
  • Providing another $127 billion for schools with no requirements for schools to actually reopen (According to the CBO only $6 billion of this will be spent in 2021).
  • Spending taxpayer funding for abortions and abortion providers,
  • Earmarking $112 million for an underground subway for Big Tech’s employees, in Silicon Valley,
  • Spending nearly a billion in foreign aid, and
  • Providing hundreds of millions for endowments for the arts and humanities.
  • $480 million for Native American language preservation and maintenance
  • $50 million in environmental justice grants.
I enjoy the statement at

Fact check: Breaking down spending in the COVID-19 relief bill

More than 99% of the American Rescue Plan is going to Americans, though some of that falls in the category of political “pork.” An analysis by a nonpartisan group found about 85% of the bill is related to the pandemic.

Let me break this down"

99% is going to Americans (doesn't matter that "pork" is in it- we will just close our eyes on that)
Another group 85% says related to pandemic - translated - the above 99% is a white-wash and its OK to have 15% pork


Couldn't they just make "Covid relief bill" a Covid relief bill?
Political haggling and extortion. Some congress people and senators have their pet project that would never receive enough votes to go through. But if they can bundle it in with a bigger bill, they agree to vote for that (and threaten to not vote if their pet project doesn't get included).
Btw.: giving money to schools is for them not to open. You want people physically distant. The money is for means to provide online courses.

"He who loves sausages or respects the law shouldn't watch when either is made." attributed to Mark Twain.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
I'm all for relief but... really?
  • Directing $350 billion to bailout states like New York, California and Illinois at the expense of states that are open like Florida,
  • Providing another $127 billion for schools with no requirements for schools to actually reopen (According to the CBO only $6 billion of this will be spent in 2021).
  • Spending taxpayer funding for abortions and abortion providers,
  • Earmarking $112 million for an underground subway for Big Tech’s employees, in Silicon Valley,
  • Spending nearly a billion in foreign aid, and
  • Providing hundreds of millions for endowments for the arts and humanities.
  • $480 million for Native American language preservation and maintenance
  • $50 million in environmental justice grants.
I enjoy the statement at

Fact check: Breaking down spending in the COVID-19 relief bill

More than 99% of the American Rescue Plan is going to Americans, though some of that falls in the category of political “pork.” An analysis by a nonpartisan group found about 85% of the bill is related to the pandemic.

Let me break this down"

99% is going to Americans (doesn't matter that "pork" is in it- we will just close our eyes on that)
Another group 85% says related to pandemic - translated - the above 99% is a white-wash and its OK to have 15% pork


Couldn't they just make "Covid relief bill" a Covid relief bill?

You really don't understand how Senate reconciliation work, do you? Or a democracy works in practice with a parliament/congress?

If you understand the actual process, then that is how it works regardless of what party is in control.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Political haggling and extortion. Some congress people and senators have their pet project that would never receive enough votes to go through. But if they can bundle it in with a bigger bill, they agree to vote for that (and threaten to not vote if their pet project doesn't get included).
Btw.: giving money to schools is for them not to open. You want people physically distant. The money is for means to provide online courses.

"He who loves sausages or respects the law shouldn't watch when either is made." attributed to Mark Twain.

The bold one: Winner.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
I'm all for relief but... really?
  • Directing $350 billion to bailout states like New York, California and Illinois at the expense of states that are open like Florida,
  • Providing another $127 billion for schools with no requirements for schools to actually reopen (According to the CBO only $6 billion of this will be spent in 2021).
  • Spending taxpayer funding for abortions and abortion providers,
  • Earmarking $112 million for an underground subway for Big Tech’s employees, in Silicon Valley,
  • Spending nearly a billion in foreign aid, and
  • Providing hundreds of millions for endowments for the arts and humanities.
  • $480 million for Native American language preservation and maintenance
  • $50 million in environmental justice grants.
I enjoy the statement at

Fact check: Breaking down spending in the COVID-19 relief bill

More than 99% of the American Rescue Plan is going to Americans, though some of that falls in the category of political “pork.” An analysis by a nonpartisan group found about 85% of the bill is related to the pandemic.

Let me break this down"

99% is going to Americans (doesn't matter that "pork" is in it- we will just close our eyes on that)
Another group 85% says related to pandemic - translated - the above 99% is a white-wash and its OK to have 15% pork


Couldn't they just make "Covid relief bill" a Covid relief bill?
Welcome to US politics, Ken.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
I'm all for relief but... really?
  • Directing $350 billion to bailout states like New York, California and Illinois at the expense of states that are open like Florida,
We live in Kali Yuga ... full of greedy people. So, be sure that with this big money flow, a large percentage will flow into the pockets of those in charge

Just a good business plan. I could have figured this out myself. But I don't want to collect such a karma
Make people scared like "Hell" with a new virus, and when too scared, they won't be able to scrutinize/check what is done, all in name of the cure.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Political haggling and extortion. Some congress people and senators have their pet project that would never receive enough votes to go through. But if they can bundle it in with a bigger bill, they agree to vote for that (and threaten to not vote if their pet project doesn't get included).
Btw.: giving money to schools is for them not to open. You want people physically distant. The money is for means to provide online courses.

"He who loves sausages or respects the law shouldn't watch when either is made." attributed to Mark Twain.
Interesting about the schools...

I don't quite understand that. If you have less electric, maintenance, food, supplies going out because they are not in school, shouldn't there already be enough money for them to stay at home? Teachers teaching from their home still receive their paycheck. What is the "extra" cost for teaching at home?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
You really don't understand how Senate reconciliation work, do you? Or a democracy works in practice with a parliament/congress?

If you understand the actual process, then that is how it works regardless of what party is in control.
That's called "Politics as usual - forget for the people by the people"
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Interesting about the schools...

I don't quite understand that. If you have less electric, maintenance, food, supplies going out because they are not in school, shouldn't there already be enough money for them to stay at home? Teachers teaching from their home still receive their paycheck. What is the "extra" cost for teaching at home?
For a (public) school, money is not equal to money. I suspect that in the US it is not quite as bad as here in Germany but there are multiple budgets and you can't simply shift money from one pool to the next.
Again, I don't know if it's the same for the US but here the states manage (and finance, at least mostly) the schools. There is one exception that was recently created and that is IT. So with federal Covid relief money laptops, cameras etc, can be paid and lent to teachers and students.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
No, it is a general feature of politics. :D


Oh noesss!! I thought that everyone was interested only in the best interests of everyone, not in minor matters such as getting reelected or paying back supporters so that they continue to support you. You have caused me to lose all faith in politics:(
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Oh noesss!! I thought that everyone was interested only in the best interests of everyone, not in minor matters such as getting reelected or paying back supporters so that they continue to support you. You have caused me to lose all faith in politics:(

Well, that is how it is.
All politicians as themselves look out for themselves and those who have elected them. That is how representative democracy works.
 

Ponder This

Well-Known Member
I'm all for relief but... really?
  • Directing $350 billion to bailout states like New York, California and Illinois at the expense of states that are open like Florida,
  • Providing another $127 billion for schools with no requirements for schools to actually reopen (According to the CBO only $6 billion of this will be spent in 2021).
  • Spending taxpayer funding for abortions and abortion providers,
  • Earmarking $112 million for an underground subway for Big Tech’s employees, in Silicon Valley,
  • Spending nearly a billion in foreign aid, and
  • Providing hundreds of millions for endowments for the arts and humanities.
  • $480 million for Native American language preservation and maintenance
  • $50 million in environmental justice grants.
I enjoy the statement at

Fact check: Breaking down spending in the COVID-19 relief bill

More than 99% of the American Rescue Plan is going to Americans, though some of that falls in the category of political “pork.” An analysis by a nonpartisan group found about 85% of the bill is related to the pandemic.

Let me break this down"

99% is going to Americans (doesn't matter that "pork" is in it- we will just close our eyes on that)
Another group 85% says related to pandemic - translated - the above 99% is a white-wash and its OK to have 15% pork


Couldn't they just make "Covid relief bill" a Covid relief bill?

If you don't have enough votes to pass a Covid relief bill, but you really want the Covid relief bill badly enough, you will agree to pork. Otherwise, there is no Covid relief bill.

In other words, they cannot just make a Covid relief bill a Covid relief bill, because some people will not vote for a Covid relief bill.

So the question is: if a majority of people wouldn't vote for a Covid relief bill without pork, then why can't they just not pass a Covid relief bill?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Okay, and how do you propose to do it differently? I am serious. Besides complaining, what is your solution?
My proposal is the have it subject contingent. Bill 1 - ff it is Covid relief... if MUST be directly Covid related (or if it is infrasture - just infrastructure or if it is welfare it should be just welfare). Bill 2 - Pork personal desire bill. This can have a line-item veto so the President can stop any one of them.
 
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