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Biden won't penalize Saudi Prince for the killing of journalist Khasahoggi.

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
In general I agree. It would be nice, in the long run, for the US and Iran to work together.

But that isn't the case today. And it isn't likely to be the case in the near future.

And, currently, SA and Iran are at loggerheads. The choices are pretty much to choose a side or step back and watch the carnage. The latter choice diminishes the US influence in the region over time (which may well happen anyway). Iran also has influence in Iraq, complicating things there (to say the least) as well as Lebanon and Syria.

So the political calculation pushes the US towards the Saudis. Yes, they are a vile regime. And their abuses should NOT be ignored. But find a major power in the region that is NOT a vile regime.
yes if you include Israel I might agree
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
In general I agree. It would be nice, in the long run, for the US and Iran to work together.

But that isn't the case today. And it isn't likely to be the case in the near future.

And, currently, SA and Iran are at loggerheads. The choices are pretty much to choose a side or step back and watch the carnage. The latter choice diminishes the US influence in the region over time (which may well happen anyway). Iran also has influence in Iraq, complicating things there (to say the least) as well as Lebanon and Syria.

So the political calculation pushes the US towards the Saudis. Yes, they are a vile regime. And their abuses should NOT be ignored. But find a major power in the region that is NOT a vile regime.
Yes, that's fair comment. KSA and Iran are destined to be the two that fight it out for supremacy in the region. Neither is a beacon of enlightenment just now.

Historically, Iran has by far the greater claim. Look at the glories of the various Persian empires down the ages. And today it is a serious industrial country, with a large educated middle class. KSA, by contrast, is just a bunch of Bedouin who've suddenly got rich because of oil but are still at heart medieval tribesmen.

Iran could and should, one day, be brought in from the cold. The Serious Beards will not be able to keep the educated young down for ever. The issue is how best to bring about a rapprochement that weakens the grip of the Serious Beards and encourages reformers.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Post #2 converted the thread to Trump.
That's because it's kinda weird to criticize Biden for holding the KSA responsible.
It's almost like the far-right is angry Biden did something.
Conservatives would prefer the Trumper approach, deny KSA involvement, do not hold anyone accountable. No responsibility.

The right is always whining and crying over something.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Whataboutism.
Just pointing out the hypocrisy. You voted for Trump, it sounds like you're angry Biden is holding the KSA responsible and acknowledging the involvement.
It seems Republicans want the KSA free of accountability. As witnessed from the orange messiah.

Waaah, Biden is holding the KSA responsible for something Trump ignored. Waahh!
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
There's a lot of blatant hypocracy on the right, If Trump does something bad they defend it, if Biden does the same thing they attack it full bore, it not a form of intellectual honesty.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
There's a lot of blatant hypocracy on the right, If Trump does something bad they defend it, if Biden does the same thing they attack it full bore, it not a form of intellectual honesty.
So Biden shouldn't ever be criticized?
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
So Biden shouldn't ever be criticized?

Not for cutting off one billion in arms sales to Saudi Arabia, putting sanctions on top government officials, and accusing the crown prince of complicity in Kashoggi's murder, no he shouldn't be criticized for that, and yes, Trump should be criticized for doing the exact opposite.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
I don't think you will.
Let people criticize Biden without derailing it into always
being about Trump. Do you know he's no longer Prez?
You keep avoiding the question.
Would you prefer Biden to do nothing? Are you angry he's holding the KSA responsible?

To me, I hear rightwingers criticizing Biden for doing more than Trump did. Logic tells me that they must be angry at Biden's decision and would prefer taking the Trump approach of no accountability.

There is no other way around it.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Not for cutting off one billion in arms sales to Saudi Arabia, putting sanctions on top government officials, and accusing the crown prince of complicity in Kashoggi's murder, no he shouldn't be criticized for that, and yes, Trump should be criticized for doing the exact opposite.
How about that....a politician who may
do as he pleases without criticism.
Why? Trump!
 
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