Coca Cola implements training for employees to be less white

[Kooky]

I do not believe that these policies are a 'smokescreen' in the sense, as that I ultimately don't believe they come from a position of dishonesty or are deliberate attempts at manipulation. It's fairly clear to me that corporations care very much about the superficial appearance of fairness and tolerance, not in the least because those are values that are nearly universally accepted as good and praiseworthy.

That said, I think you will find that nearly every progressive mandate has the potential to be captured by the capitalist system in order to perpetuate itself to ensure the continuation of labor exploitation.

 

[Earthtank]

New Coca-Cola has employees take training on how to 'be less white' to combat racism

Obi-Wan Kenobi: you've become the very thing you swore to destroy

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not even close. When I see such a claim alarm bells go off for me. And that is from either side. For a white person one is just as likely to get killed by a police officer as by a black person:

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/race-and-homicide-in-america-by-the-numbers

People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2021 | Statista

The difference is that like it not the vast majority of police killings are justified. Very few cases of black people shooting white people can be justified (self defense is a justification).

Let's not use bad examples because it harms one's arguments. Is racism a problem in America? Of course, but bad arguments only allow those that disagree with you to score undeserved points.

It's not a bad argument. It's an acknowledgment the US Civil War, and the ensuing problems and issues with enforcing and enacting equality for black people, isn't the only period of violence for rights and survival in America. Most of us know America isn't a white issue. But today too many are insisting it's a black and white issue. That still leaves out many, just as the belief it's a white issue did.
Amd, yes, native Americans are more likely to be killed by police than anyone else. They also make up three of five demographs police most often execute.
The forgotten minority in police shootings - CNN
Police brutality against Native Americans - Wikipedia.

 

[Amandi]

The article touched upon defining "less white" in one of the screenshots:

It is interesting that oppression, arrogance, and certitude are considered "white" qualities, although I do find these qualities all across the internet and in real life.

It does and I can understand that upsetting people. I just have a feeling that there is more to this then the slides being shown.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And just for fun, the claims of the OP article have been confirmed by a non-right wing source:

Coca-Cola, facing backlash, says "be less white" learning plan was about workplace inclusion

So yes, someone in human resources needs training in human resources at Coca Cola.

 

[Kooky]

The article touched upon defining "less white" in one of the screenshots:

It is interesting that oppression, arrogance, and certitude are considered "white" qualities, although I do find these qualities all across the internet and in real life.

I honestly don't understand what's so upsetting about that slide.

None of the suggestions offered strike me as inflammatory or offensive.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Coca-Cola has employees take training on how to 'be less white' to combat racism

I think things like this are a bit of a smokescreen, especially since most liberals and progressives have allowed Corporate America to set the tone and direction of the narrative on this and many other issues. They've outsourced "enlightenment" to a third party vendor, and this is the result. Racism is caused by corporate elites and the ruling class, yet this "training" is basically the elites deflecting blame and attempting to put it back on the lower classes.

Racist garbage. That crap just increases animosity and the racial divide. It almost makes you think it's on purpose to create a conflict.

 

[Kooky]

Racist garbage. That crap just increases animosity and the racial divide. It almost makes you think it's on purpose to create a conflict.

What do you see as racist about these suggestions?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

What do you see as racist about these suggestions?

You really have to ask? Racial stereotypes and group smears aren't racist now? Or they're only non-racist if the target is white?

 

[Stevicus]

Racist garbage. That crap just increases animosity and the racial divide. It almost makes you think it's on purpose to create a conflict.

I've often wondered about that. A lot of people seem to believe that racism and whatever they define as a "culture war" comes from the far-right, but I don't think any of that would exist unless the Powers That Be (i.e. Corporate America and establishment politics) want it that way. The best way for the ruling class to remain in power is to keep the lower classes squabbling with each other over identity politics. That's what this is all about. It's blatant manipulation.

 

[Stevicus]

You really have to ask? Racial stereotypes and group smears aren't racist now? Or they're only non-racist if the target is white?

There's a subreddit which is kind of a satire. I forget what it's called offhand, but they take actual quotes and articles where "whites" or "white people" are lambasted or criticized, then they change the word "white" to "Jewish" and repost them. I think it's done mainly for humor, but it does raise an interesting point about the double standards which are commonly embraced by liberals.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Coca-Cola has employees take training on how to 'be less white' to combat racism

I think things like this are a bit of a smokescreen, especially since most liberals and progressives have allowed Corporate America to set the tone and direction of the narrative on this and many other issues. They've outsourced "enlightenment" to a third party vendor, and this is the result. Racism is caused by corporate elites and the ruling class, yet this "training" is basically the elites deflecting blame and attempting to put it back on the lower classes.

Simple solution


Hire the right teacher

Church! Oh Tay?

 

[Kooky]

I've often wondered about that. A lot of people seem to believe that racism and whatever they define as a "culture war" comes from the far-right, but I don't think any of that would exist unless the Powers That Be (i.e. Corporate America and establishment politics) want it that way. The best way for the ruling class to remain in power is to keep the lower classes squabbling with each other over identity politics. That's what this is all about. It's blatant manipulation.

As far as I can tell, there are effectively two different definitions of racism that are frequently conflated, causing misunderstanding:

The common definition of racism appears to be that racism is the practice of using specific words and phrases that are considered offensive to a specific group of people - in essence, a kind of hyper-rudeness that only affects a minority among the population.

Another, less common, definition of racism is so-called "structural racism", where racism is seen as a state of society that is the result of a fundamental imbalance of social status and political influence among certain population groups - essentially a certain type of power relation that exists throughout society, and is often maintained by practices that are not intended to be bigoted or racist at all.

Which one of the two do you believe applies here?

 

[Earthtank]

What do you see as racist about these suggestions?

its amazingly funny how in an effort to try and not be racist they have become the most racist lolololol

 

[Kooky]

its amazingly funny how in an effort to try and not be racist they have become the most racist lolololol

Why are you replying to me?

 

[Earthtank]

Why are you replying to me?

oh sorry, lost track of the thread while reading all the replies

 

[Kooky]

oh sorry, lost track of the thread while reading all the replies

No worries. I was just confused for a brief moment.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What do you see as racist about these suggestions?

They are based upon stereotypes of what white people are like from an outsiders point of view. It would be just as racist if black people were told "be less black". Many of the lines could have the races switched between several races and racists would say "that sounds like a good idea" when it referred to people that were not his race.

Tell me what good would it do to tell black people to "be less defensive" or "be more humble". Oooh, sparks would fly!

There is a problem, but this is far from the solution. If anything it would make the problem worse.

 

[Kooky]

They are based upon stereotypes of what white people are like from an outsiders point of view.

This argument presumes that none of the people who were involved in creating this presentation were White. Given the demographics of white collar jobs in large corporations, how likely do you believe that is?

It would be just as racist if black people were told "be less black". Many of the lines could have the races switched between several races and racists would say "that sounds like a good idea" when it referred to people that were not his race. Tell me what good would it do to tell black people to "be less defensive" or "be more humble". Oooh, sparks would fly!

My understanding is that the kind of things you mention is not an uncommon experience Black people face in everyday life: veiled, subtle hints to not dress a certain way, to not wear certain hair styles, to not speak with certain accents. I would wager that when prompted, White people would rarely see that as racist, or even mean spirited.

There is a problem, but this is far from the solution. If anything it would make the problem worse.

Maybe, who knows. But that's not the question we were debating, was it?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

White people would rarely see that as racist, or even mean spirited.

That doesn't make it okay to reverse the situation. Stereotyping is stereotyping. It doesn't matter who does it, or to whom. It shouldn't be going on. Shifting to move goalposts to make it ok for one group does nothing but needlessly divide. As does attaching needless guilt to the assumptions.