Well, Jesus was Jewish, and in Judaism there are different sections to hell for different types of sinners. if we went to hell right now, I'd be in Jewish hell and you'd be in Noahide hell. Thus sayeth the loooooorrrddd.
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How can a Jew reject Jesus as the Messiah?
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I can always count on you to make my day brighter with giggling
Well, it's better than being in Hell with Jesus.
I'm not so lucky. There's a midrash in the the Talmud in which Onkelos goes to hell before his conversion, to talk to three big sinners: Bil'am, Titus and "that man", which of course is a reference to Jesus. So, as you can tell, I'll be stuck with Jesus in hell (and that's a rhyme, too).I can always count on you to make my day brighter with giggling
Well, it's better than being in Hell with Jesus.
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My condolences
And as it's hell you'll likely be drinking Earl Grey as well.So just don't sin, bro!!!
That's interesting tho.
Never mind, it is from the Talmud, but the Maharal had a slightly variant version of the story.My condolences
So just don't sin, bro!!!
That's interesting tho.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Partially-- thus at least there's some progress as this is not what @Skylights007 originally was saying, which is why I kept repeating the question only to not get an answer.
See my next post.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Now we're going in the right direction, imo.
So, you say the above, which I do appreciate, but then it begs some other questions, such as what exactly is it that drives us to "have a desire to seek God"? But also note that you didn't say "Jesus" with this. I have a proposal dealing with this, but I'd rather wait and get your response first to the above.
Rimon Internet must really not like Jesus. Probably thinks it's some missionary site out to swallow my soul.
Oh wait, never mind, Jews for J still works.
I don't know about people being born with knowledge of who Jesus is, but the Bible says in Jeremiah 29:13
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Rational thin king.
Theist human. Science never existed.
Origin human self.
Origin human self thought.
Thought past tense.
Thought about God
God history past tense.
O energy he says is gods history.
O our God earth as energy mass was held as stone.
Ooooo other gods in same space womb not our entity.
Stone.
What past tense said.
Stone energy form held complete as God.
How did science get power of God.
Where is the scientist in past tense just God.
Owns no presence. No condition. Cannot do science. Human inferred.
Basic teaching God O energy in space.
Straight away that God O planet form created from volcanic mass it's heavens.
No string theory anywhere except back to O mass stone and God as a thinker.
What you lie about today what a sun did to earth. A reaction involving radiating mass. The sun never left its form sun.
A sun is not stone.
A sun past tense is its held form ownership sun.
Theist discussed reactive condition only not any sun.
Yet the sun owned cause.
Another status of your coercive lying.
Thinking therefore is not a dream string theory.
NDE you studying closest to death moment for all humans.
Tried to give us light constant held by vacuum to life on ground.
Theoried instant death closest moment as study in science.
The human destroyer self science prophecised by maths science calculations.
Moses God review knew human scientist in sun satanism had removed life. Heavens is just a mass. Is not owned as separation is owned as mass or mess as God O heavens.
No man is God teaching.
Jesus not the mass heavens
Reasoning logical. Argument law separation already existed. Every state natural is separately owned.
Natural law
Theist human. Science never existed.
Origin human self.
Origin human self thought.
Thought past tense.
Thought about God
God history past tense.
O energy he says is gods history.
O our God earth as energy mass was held as stone.
Ooooo other gods in same space womb not our entity.
Stone.
What past tense said.
Stone energy form held complete as God.
How did science get power of God.
Where is the scientist in past tense just God.
Owns no presence. No condition. Cannot do science. Human inferred.
Basic teaching God O energy in space.
Straight away that God O planet form created from volcanic mass it's heavens.
No string theory anywhere except back to O mass stone and God as a thinker.
What you lie about today what a sun did to earth. A reaction involving radiating mass. The sun never left its form sun.
A sun is not stone.
A sun past tense is its held form ownership sun.
Theist discussed reactive condition only not any sun.
Yet the sun owned cause.
Another status of your coercive lying.
Thinking therefore is not a dream string theory.
NDE you studying closest to death moment for all humans.
Tried to give us light constant held by vacuum to life on ground.
Theoried instant death closest moment as study in science.
The human destroyer self science prophecised by maths science calculations.
Moses God review knew human scientist in sun satanism had removed life. Heavens is just a mass. Is not owned as separation is owned as mass or mess as God O heavens.
No man is God teaching.
Jesus not the mass heavens
Reasoning logical. Argument law separation already existed. Every state natural is separately owned.
Natural law
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I believe that everyone is born with knowledge that there is a redeemer but some people suppress it.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
We need.
We needed.
We had
Once we owned.
Highest previous form a living eternal being in eternal as spirit.
Change.
Lesson never change natural in research.
Humans inherited the lesson. We knew.
Brother said I don't want.
I do want. A contradiction.
I do not want to learn.
I must learn.
Learning destruction anti effect.
Reason lesson gained lesson learnt.
A higher state became a lower state which you inherit.
Learnt but not learnt ignored. The actual contradiction. He learnt destruction not creation. Theme natural first. Origin first.
Invented science. Wanted to return to higher spirit form.
Observation self. Wanted a higher status not owned by lower being human.
Wanted to return.
Applied destruction sacrificed self lesson redeemed.
What he knew in first instance. Cannot return to higher state after change.
Higher state changed you inherit lower status.
Learnt lesson.
Percentage man.
Redeemed.
Redeemer yet to change the rest of men self destructive liars.
Karma the lesson taught to cause human to think about origin meaning a lesson and a spirit teaching.
So you've changed your mind (nothing wrong with that)? @metis, take note.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
And this is where I'm coming from even though it's just a hypothesis that I have since I can't prove it.
I think we underestimate what we Christians call the "Holy Spirit", and what Jews call "God's Spirit", and what Hindu's call "Brahman", etc. IOW, I tend to think there's something inside us that points us towards Love and Truth, but we do have to tap into it to reflect this within ourselves as being a lifestyle, thus not just a series of beliefs. The Society of Jesus ["Quakers"] call it the "Inner Light", although "Soul" may be another term for it.
To me, this makes sense since it possibly solves the problem dealing with God's relationship with all peoples throughout all the ages, thus not just some.
I don't think that every single person who wasn't a part of the Mosaic covenant or a believer in Jesus will go to hell, but that does not mean that I think many roads lead to God.
And this is where I'm coming from even though it's just a hypothesis that I have since I can't prove it.
I think we underestimate what we Christians call the "Holy Spirit", and what Jews call "God's Spirit", and what Hindu's call "Brahman", etc. IOW, I tend to think there's something inside us that points us towards Love and Truth, but we do have to tap into it to reflect this within ourselves as being a lifestyle, thus not just a series of beliefs. The Society of Jesus ["Quakers"] call it the "Inner Light", although "Soul" may be another term for it.
To me, this makes sense since it possibly solves the problem dealing with God's relationship with all peoples throughout all the ages, thus not just some.
The Tanakh mentions the Holy Spirit. The Shema and the Shahada
This reminds me of Pugio Fidei.
leroy
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I DONT KNOW,
I honestly would like to know the opinion of an informed and open minded Jew………..the only argument against the resurrection that I have heard is that “miracles don’t happen” (which would work for an atheist) but a Jew should be open to miracles.