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An international agreement on how to handle benefits and duties.What would be needed for this to work?
Otherwise international citizenship might be seen as just an attempt to escape the draft and taxes.
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An international agreement on how to handle benefits and duties.What would be needed for this to work?
Yes, I do. Our tribalism is firmly ensconced in our psyches. We revel in it. If no tribes exist we invent them. What do you think sports teams are?Don't you think new groups/divisions/cultures will arise if you would do away with the concept of nationalism?
And won't it be a gateway to a new era of taboos, where it is forbidden to speak of these cultural differences, which in turn will lead to a new era of narrow-mindedness and oppression?
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Whould it be possible to have a international citizenship and pass port for those who do not feel they belong to the country they was born in?
What would be needed for this to work?
Not sure i put this in the correct section, so please move it if needed.
Whould it be possible to have a international citizenship and pass port for those who do not feel they belong to the country they was born in?
What would be needed for this to work?
Wouldn't a cosmopolitan pay taxes wherever s/he lived and worked? And the draft? Why would anyone want to kill his brothers and sisters? Wouldn't refusing that be the moral thing to do?An international agreement on how to handle benefits and duties.
Otherwise international citizenship might be seen as just an attempt to escape the draft and taxes.
Escaping the draft: good for them. I'll never fault someone for trying to avoid being enslaved.An international agreement on how to handle benefits and duties.
Otherwise international citizenship might be seen as just an attempt to escape the draft and taxes.
You'd need to take away the animosity between nations. You know what though, nations like each other a lot more than we used to. Maybe there could be a few people granted international citizenship. I think that currently the global system of all nations might be willing to approve some. For example you might succeed in having all nations honor all blind people as international citizens or all deaf or all nobel laureates or all gold medal olympic winners. I don't think just anyone would be accepted, but a small group of distinguished people, people who can't be suspected of being spies, people whose lives are clearly dedicated to apolitical things....Not sure i put this in the correct section, so please move it if needed.
Whould it be possible to have a international citizenship and pass port for those who do not feel they belong to the country they was born in?
What would be needed for this to work?
You usually don't just have obligations to your country of which you have a passport but you also have benefits. Many have social security fees but they also pay a fair retirement pension. And one part of your duties in exchange for your pension is military or civilian service in many countries. Dodging the draft seems unfair to the community (though I'd prefer a free choice of military or civilian service).Escaping the draft: good for them. I'll never fault someone for trying to avoid being enslaved.
Escaping taxes: tax obligations are usually based on residency or where income is earned, not citizenship.
I'm not in favour of any sort of slavery, whether military or civilian. Any sort of compulsory draft is abhorrent.You usually don't just have obligations to your country of which you have a passport but you also have benefits. Many have social security fees but they also pay a fair retirement pension. And one part of your duties in exchange for your pension is military or civilian service in many countries. Dodging the draft seems unfair to the community (though I'd prefer a free choice of military or civilian service).
I don't think so. Citizenship and passports are specifically granted by some form of recognised government. They bring with them certain agreements, rights and responsibilities, on the part of both the government and the citizen. I doubt there is (or could be) any truly international government that would want or be accepted as taking the same role all around the world.Whould it be possible to have a international citizenship and pass port for those who do not feel they belong to the country they was born in?
But you accept taxes as a compulsory community service? And pensions as a general benefit? I don't need the draft either but I think it would be an injustice if some could dodge it without repercussion if there is a draft.I'm not in favour of any sort of slavery, whether military or civilian. Any sort of compulsory draft is abhorrent.
A draft is not just another form of tax.
Yes, because paying taxes doesn't involve being deprived of liberty.But you accept taxes as a compulsory community service?
Sure, though I don't see what that has to do with the draft.And pensions as a general benefit?
Slavery is such an affront to human dignity that fewer people enslaved is always better than more people enslaved, even if it means that the slavery happens inequitably.I don't need the draft either but I think it would be an injustice if some could dodge it without repercussion if there is a draft.
Not sure i put this in the correct section, so please move it if needed.
Whould it be possible to have a international citizenship and pass port for those who do not feel they belong to the country they was born in?
What would be needed for this to work?
Whould it be possible to have a international citizenship and pass port for those who do not feel they belong to the country they was born in?
How about making the UN completely extranational; all members to abjure any national allegiance, take international citizenship and dedicate themselves entirely to their core purpose -- eliminating war.What about starting with a UN opt-in for nations which will consider certain people as international citizens such as...blind people? Some nations might like this, and then perhaps you could get an increasing number of nations to sign on eventually building a basis for international citizenship.
Why would anyone have any 'obligation' to the country they chanced to be born in? Is one born on Crips turf ethically obligated to support them in warring against the Bloods, if ordered?You usually don't just have obligations to your country of which you have a passport but you also have benefits. Many have social security fees but they also pay a fair retirement pension. And one part of your duties in exchange for your pension is military or civilian service in many countries. Dodging the draft seems unfair to the community (though I'd prefer a free choice of military or civilian service).
And for an international citizenship it would be nice to have some balance between countries of residency like, for example, an international pension fund.
Good point. Personally I'm more concerned with the ethics of ordering another person to abdicate personal moral responsibility and commit immoral acts under orders.I'm not in favour of any sort of slavery, whether military or civilian. Any sort of compulsory draft is abhorrent.
A draft is not just another form of tax.
What the heck is a "recognised government?" Recognised by whom -- other governments?I don't think so. Citizenship and passports are specifically granted by some form of recognised government. They bring with them certain agreements, rights and responsibilities, on the part of both the government and the citizen. I doubt there is (or could be) any truly international government that would want or be accepted as taking the same role all around the world.
A person generally needs to be a citizen of somewhere - that's just how the system works - but it doesn't have to mean all that much (certainly not much more than legally living in a country). If you really feel so strongly against being a citizen of the country you current are, you are free to seek to change your citizenship, you just need to find somewhere willing to take you and follow whatever processes they set out.
Or you could stop moaning about irrelevancies and make the best of the situation you're in, just like the rest of us have to.
Could I guess, but strategically I think the first global citizens must be people that all countries will accept and won't think of as spies. If you can do that for people in the UN then fine, but can you? They are political appointees, so you probably can't.How about making the UN completely extranational; all members to abjure any national allegiance, take international citizenship and dedicate themselves entirely to their core purpose -- eliminating war.
The social contract is, by its nature, one you are forced into not one you signed voluntary so you could argue that you are not legally bound. You are still bound morally to reciprocate when you have received valuable aid you have gladly taken.Why would anyone have any 'obligation' to the country they chanced to be born in?
I don't know how well Crips' welfare works but you might have an obligation to reciprocate.Is one born on Crips turf ethically obligated to support them in warring against the Bloods, if ordered?
Depending on the country you live in. Some countries have armies which are, by constitution, only allowed to defend against attacks in an act of self defence.Benefits? What's the purpose of the social contract? A society is -- should be -- a mutual, self help co-op; a family writ large; one for all and all for one. A democracy is a government by and for the people, not an exploitative oligarcy of the rich and powerful.
The draft? Noōne has the right to command an immoral act, and the military is an immoral organization whose raison d'être is to kill people and destroy things.
Dodging the draft can be the only moral choice when you don't have an other choice. If your country allows for alternative civil service, you have the option to avoid having to shoot at people without bugging out of service to your community.Abdicating personal moral responsibility -- just following orders -- was ruled a crime 74 years ago at the Nuremberg trials.
Dodging the draft; refusing to 'just follow orders' and to kill whomever you're told to, is the only moral choice.