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Faith

Clara Tea

Well-Known Member
Citizenship only pin you to where on earth we was born :) i feel at home anywhere atleast of the places i been visiting :)
Guantanamo torture camp? Homeless camps with no toilets, pooping and peeing in drainage channels with other homeless COVID victims?

Jesus was at home everywhere, but he helped. We were all his children.
 

Clara Tea

Well-Known Member
I think that sums it up. In the Bible, Hebrews 11: 1 defines faith as being "the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld".
If you want to get a bit more technical, the term “faith” is translated from the Greek word piʹstis, primarily conveying the thought of confidence and trust.
Greeks had their own Gods (Zeus, Hera, et al).
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Having spiritual/religious faith is to believe in the unseen and faith in the teaching that what is told as wisdom is the truth, even before one see it.

Any thoughts?
Yes, I have thoughts. Faith is a thing, for sure. But so is knowledge. Can you explain why you think that accepting "unseen" and unprovable teaching as "truth" is better than accepting actual truth as truth?

What is it, exactly, about that which is "unseen" and only taught by people who claim to have special knowledge, but who couldn't give you a single proof that they know any more than you do, which makes it so attractive to you?

What is wrong with examining your own mind, your own experience, you own wisdom, your own soul...and living your life according to what you find there?
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Having spiritual/religious faith is to believe in the unseen and faith in the teaching that what is told as wisdom is the truth, even before one see it.

Any thoughts?
That definition abandons any objective definition of "truth" without replacing it.

So 'truth' is anything the subject would like it to be, and I guess that's what 'faith' means in this context.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
That definition abandons any objective definition of "truth" without replacing it.

So 'truth' is anything the subject would like it to be, and I guess that's what 'faith' means in this context.
And I do believe you have that just about right...
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Truth.

I am a human.
I was born a human baby.

Sperm not a baby.
Ovary not a baby.

Original two human adults parents our spiritual memories

Recorded living. Own heavenly recorded lived life and died.

Spirit memory human.

Atmospheric image voiced recorder transmitter machines

Machine owned controlled operated by designer human confessed to causing attack on life to produce AI human recording.

Owned status man human father adult life caused it.

I faithfully acknowledge the teaching as I witnessed machine changed natural effects. Before occurrence had everyday human study of effect without reasoning why. Seeing imaged human spirit.

Faith to believe in what you are taught when a human says reasonings are about why no man is God.

Not to make up my own theories.

Eternal spirit memory seen.

Two humans from same one spirit being.
Two different bodies yet human form one human baby.

Human cells only owned by self present humans is self evident came from a place of spirit to own spirit faith completely. Which is not just a faith in human bodily presence.

How else could two different bodies regain a new human? We are only talking human presence. Human genetics. Human form itself.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Faith to me, is the lack of knowledge. Don't misunderstand it as me being rude, it is not meant like that, which will probably be clear in a second. :)

But as with anything else in life, you don't have faith in gravity or faith in being able to hold your breath underwater forever. You know gravity is there, you might not know exactly what it is or how it works in every single detail, but you can feel it on your body, you can test it by simply throwing or dropping something, just as you know that you can't hold your breath forever. Therefore you have knowledge about these things and that makes faith irrelevant.

However, a God or what some other person might tell you, where you don't have certainty that they are correct requires faith in them, doesn't necessarily have to be religious, could just as well be you having faith in a scientist telling you how gravity works and you putting your trust or faith in him/her telling you the truth.

So to sum it up with a question, if you have knowledge about something, why would you need faith in it?
When starting on a spiritual journey faith is what pull you forward, than when you stuinner wisdom arise, and faith become understanding, just like a student of science have faith in the teaching and in the teacher, when ended education the scientist understand his/her field.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Guantanamo torture camp? Homeless camps with no toilets, pooping and peeing in drainage channels with other homeless COVID victims?

Jesus was at home everywhere, but he helped. We were all his children.
I have not been to Guatanamo and i know it is a living hell, but it does not scare me.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
ESP proof (predicted comes true).

Example 1: Revelation 13 dragon (Satanic demon President Bush Sr.) had son (Satanic demon President W. Bush) and "gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority."

Example 2: Revelation 15 (7 plagues for defying God's order not to attack Iraq).

Example 2: Revelation 17:18 Most powerful nation occupied and corrupted Iraq, US earned name Whore of Babylon.

Proof of God is that the Bush presidents were Satanic demons. Makes sense (greed, pollution, war, torture camps). Willing to kill a million to make Americans feel less scared, though not linked to terrorism.

Modern events clearly fit predicted events of Revelation (so we're in the end times, and all life on earth will soon end). But it proves that God is real because psychics say so, and psychics are real.
Why does the bible say "dragon" instead of "Bush". It leaves it to the likes of yourself then to interpret it as you like
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Not in Judaeo Christianity.
Here you must begin in faith, and prove it for yourself. The claim is made
in scripture that if you have not proven this doctrine for yourself then you
have not understood.

In science there is what I call the 'corporate proof', and in Christianity
there's the 'private proof.'
I began in faith and disproved it; does that count?
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Not me that made the rules how to see the spiritual realms :) but from practice of spiritual teaching one gain wisdom
Rules!!
I'm missing nothing, I wouldn't call myself wise but I do have a degree and sufficient knowledge. Religion does not make you wise, in many cases it can stifle your knowledge.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Rules!!
I'm missing nothing, I wouldn't call myself wise but I do have a degree and sufficient knowledge. Religion does not make you wise, in many cases it can stifle your knowledge.
We see wisdom differently:) i do not see the physical world as the true world, you are only the physical world as the truth
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
But it is many people's experience

And if you see the trends in religious observance since 1900 you see a definite downward
trend. I don't think people are any different than they were centuries before - what has changed
is that people have the good life now - the richer you have been for a long time, the less religion
in your life.
 
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