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Faith

Vee

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Having spiritual/religious faith is to believe in the unseen and faith in the teaching that what is told as wisdom is the truth, even before one see it.

Any thoughts?

I think that sums it up. In the Bible, Hebrews 11: 1 defines faith as being "the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld".
If you want to get a bit more technical, the term “faith” is translated from the Greek word piʹstis, primarily conveying the thought of confidence and trust.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
Having spiritual/religious faith is to believe in the unseen and faith in the teaching that what is told as wisdom is the truth, even before one see it.

Any thoughts?

To believe something is true before you have evidence is a recipe for making foolish decisions.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Having spiritual/religious faith is to believe in the unseen and faith in the teaching that what is told as wisdom is the truth, even before one see it.

Any thoughts?

Through my spiritual journey, I always thought spirituality would be akin to knowledge not faith. If we live our life by a specific teaching whether it's worship of the unseen or another spiritual path outside of the unseen, I would assume that what we base our life on is what we know is true.

In other words, my thoughts, is we first believe in something (accept something is true without solid confirmation). We have said experiences that convince us something is worth looking into. We develop faith (put our trust-surrender to, I guess-that something that you choose to accept is true). Then when you lived by that faith and continued to accept that belief (i.e. you're cleaning yourself out because you feel it's worth looking into), the more you do this, the more experiences, and all, it becomes knowledge. You Know something is true and you no longer need belief and faith of it.

So, in my spiritual experiences I'm likened to say what I experience is something I know is true.

My questions:

Does the unseen, by nature of it being unseen, by default can only be believed by faith?

Can wisdom be seen as knowledge of spiritual truths or by definition, can it only be experienced by faith?
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Having spiritual/religious faith is to believe in the unseen and faith in the teaching that what is told as wisdom is the truth, even before one see it.

Any thoughts?

I would agree that those are two common examples of faith.

BTW, I have a bridge for sale, and I can get you a great deal!
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
Having spiritual/religious faith is to believe in the unseen and faith in the teaching that what is told as wisdom is the truth, even before one see it.

Any thoughts?

There two aspects to this "faith". This is a way some people have rendered the word Taqwa and Muttaqoon. As in the Quran, chapter two, verse one uses the word precisely saying "This book is for them". Now understanding who this "Muttaqeen" is describing is a debated matter.

1. Some people seem to think that this exactly what you said. That it means those who believe in the unseen. This is an interpretation.

2. If you go to the linguistics, this means those who have Taqwa, which is a sense of righteousness within them. Do you understand? There are some people who have this, as in when you see a piece of Gold somewhere, and you have a chance to steal it, but you know that it not right, so you refrain from doing so. IT could be that you believe God is watching, but it also could be that you have that God-given righteousness within you.

So, this faith interpretation runs a little deeper than interpreting an English word in English.

I hope you understand.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
The teachings is showing me evidence every day that it is true, by looking at the world.

Ah, okay. So the world is evidence of the teachings. So if you didn't have that evidence, would you still believe?

And when prayer is answered it is proof enough to me

Can you give an example of an answer you've received to prayer, and how you determined it was an answer?
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
For a religious person the scripture is the proof of what we experience every day in our daily life. But i can understand for someone who do not believe or have faith in God it look like it's fault.
For people of the book religions, sure, but for others, the conscience is the proof. If you have an experience, and your conscience allows it, without guilt or remorse, then it's dharmic, or right action. Of course there are those who stay confused and allow negative adharmic factors to convince themselves that it's 'right' even though it isn't. Those folks don't have finely tuned consciences. That principle is really no different than an instinctive young man lying to his girlfriend, saying he loves her, just to hope he can have sex.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
There two aspects to this "faith". This is a way some people have rendered the word Taqwa and Muttaqoon. As in the Quran, chapter two, verse one uses the word precisely saying "This book is for them". Now understanding who this "Muttaqeen" is describing is a debated matter.

1. Some people seem to think that this exactly what you said. That it means those who believe in the unseen. This is an interpretation.

2. If you go to the linguistics, this means those who have Taqwa, which is a sense of righteousness within them. Do you understand? There are some people who have this, as in when you see a piece of Gold somewhere, and you have a chance to steal it, but you know that it not right, so you refrain from doing so. IT could be that you believe God is watching, but it also could be that you have that God-given righteousness within you.

So, this faith interpretation runs a little deeper than interpreting an English word in English.

I hope you understand.
Very few understanding deeper sense of interpretation of the texts today, so English in a forum lik RF is good enough

Hope you understand
 
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