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Jesus' Four Failed Prophecies About Him Returning In The Lifetimes Of His Apostles
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LightofTruth
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Paul says to comfort one another with these words. So it seems the "we" which are alive, and the "them" which are asleep, are ALL who have the same hope.Really?????
Then what was Paul saying when he said, "The dead in Christ shall rise....then we which are alive will be caught up (modern day rapture term) with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air."
Clouds are in the air last I checked.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
It is not God's kingdom in the sense that God is going to build it or live in it.
It is the kingdom that God wants for humans. God has no wants for Himself because God has no needs.
SeekingAllTruth
Well-Known Member
And what about the Pew poll that says that 79% of Christians expect Jesus to literally return to earth?
Fully 79% of Christians in the U.S. say they believe that Jesus Christ will return to Earth someday.
Christians’ Views on the Return of Christ
LightofTruth
Well-Known Member
God builds His heavenly kingdom (New Jerusalem) out of people. Each house is a particular person. And all those persons(houses) together make up a great city. "For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God." Heb 11:10
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You have to be careful. "God" does not teach anything. At least not in the sense that you are using the word. And if you are talking about the Bible the Bible does have an endless punishment in hell, but it also contradicts itself. It is the bible after all. As to what Satan is it is not clear. He is clearly not another man, are you claiming that he is a god himself? That could be since the Old Testament does strongly imply polytheism at points.
LightofTruth
Well-Known Member
It's pointless to argue with you as to whether the Bible is inspired by God or not. The endless punishment in hell (the grave) is call "eternal punishment" not "eternal torment". Death is the wages of sin, and anyone who is without Christ does not escape death. Therefore, the punishment is eternal.
Paul refers to Satan as the God of this world because men serve their own desires rather than God. Their God is their own belly.
How do you know?
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Theorist a thinker.
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Jesus man image in clouds occurred once due to science extra irradiating life
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Images changed.
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Science theoried origin by thinking mind vision.
Heavenly visions changed.
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Was never a claim sophists hoped that O Phi as a thesis maths calculus was replaced. As a mother space theme. Truly inane.
Science reactor reaction mass gone. Does not replace itself. Reaction means removed back to space irradiating origins not cooled.
Jesus man image in clouds occurred once due to science extra irradiating life
Image Jesus once Moses by defined calculated letter to number factoring thesis evidence. Words numbers letters data named.
Everyone said one time only did all humans be sacrificed as whole O earth event Moses mutation. Humans not God O earth. We live everywhere on O around body. Gods mass.
Jesus proved 40 Moses Jesus 33...factor 7 leaves removal body sacrificed of multi coloured gas spirit body seven destroyed.
Mass gone heat caused radiating mass vacuum.opened gases lost light.
Images changed.
Heavenly stories feedback clouds images that form voice feedback and stories by mind vision.
Science theoried origin by thinking mind vision.
Heavenly visions changed.
O ovary for man adult new beginnings not as adult theist. Was a baby born by sex said O mother human after reaction human replaces heals cells.
Was never a claim sophists hoped that O Phi as a thesis maths calculus was replaced. As a mother space theme. Truly inane.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
@ SeekingAllTruth
“In these passages Jesus is explicit about his return. He said that he would return riding the clouds with angels to judge the world and that with the sound of a trumpet he would send his angels to gather his chosen ones from the Earth. This would be no secret, invisible or “spiritual” event. Instead, the whole world would see him in the sky just the whole world sees the light of the sun.”
Jesus’ Failed Prophecy About His Return
A. Jesus never said HE was going to return, Jesus said we would SEE the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven.
Who is the Son of man who will come in the clouds of heaven?
B. There is no reason to think that any of the verses were ever intended to be interpreted literally, so clouds and angels and trumpets do not refer to actual clouds and angels and trumpets. Much of the Bible is figurative language, not literal.
C. Finally, the Bible does not say that it would be no secret invisible or “spiritual” event and that instead, the whole world would see him in the sky just the whole world sees the light of the sun.” The Bible says that Christ would return as a thief in the night. If it is going to be such a huge event, why does the Jesus say that we should be watching, lest we miss the huge event?
When a thief breaks into the house at night, he comes in and goes out quietly, such that nobody even notices him... It is only in the morning that the homeowner realizes that he has been there because of the telltale signs he left behind.
Rev 3:2-3 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Luke 12:39-40And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
Matthew 24:42-44 (KJV) Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Matthew 24:42-44 (TLB)So be prepared, for you don’t know what day your Lord is coming. Just as a man can prevent trouble from thieves by keeping watch for them, so you can avoid trouble by always being ready for my unannounced return.
2 Peter 3:10-13 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Mark 13:32-37 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
I rest my case.
“In these passages Jesus is explicit about his return. He said that he would return riding the clouds with angels to judge the world and that with the sound of a trumpet he would send his angels to gather his chosen ones from the Earth. This would be no secret, invisible or “spiritual” event. Instead, the whole world would see him in the sky just the whole world sees the light of the sun.”
Jesus’ Failed Prophecy About His Return
A. Jesus never said HE was going to return, Jesus said we would SEE the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven.
Who is the Son of man who will come in the clouds of heaven?
B. There is no reason to think that any of the verses were ever intended to be interpreted literally, so clouds and angels and trumpets do not refer to actual clouds and angels and trumpets. Much of the Bible is figurative language, not literal.
C. Finally, the Bible does not say that it would be no secret invisible or “spiritual” event and that instead, the whole world would see him in the sky just the whole world sees the light of the sun.” The Bible says that Christ would return as a thief in the night. If it is going to be such a huge event, why does the Jesus say that we should be watching, lest we miss the huge event?
When a thief breaks into the house at night, he comes in and goes out quietly, such that nobody even notices him... It is only in the morning that the homeowner realizes that he has been there because of the telltale signs he left behind.
Rev 3:2-3 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Luke 12:39-40And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
Matthew 24:42-44 (KJV) Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Matthew 24:42-44 (TLB)So be prepared, for you don’t know what day your Lord is coming. Just as a man can prevent trouble from thieves by keeping watch for them, so you can avoid trouble by always being ready for my unannounced return.
2 Peter 3:10-13 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Mark 13:32-37 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
I rest my case.
LightofTruth
Well-Known Member
I suppose it's because Darwin and Hawking taught everything.
Except when it comes to death. They have no solution.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Yes, that is one way the Bible can be interpreted. There is more than one valid interpretation.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Indeed.
LightofTruth
Well-Known Member
It's the Achilles heel for Darwin and Hawking. At the end of the day all they can do is scratch their heads and say "What's the point?"Indeed.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
The second coming Jesus was a maths meaning known science human caused prophecy.@ SeekingAllTruth
“In these passages Jesus is explicit about his return. He said that he would return riding the clouds with angels to judge the world and that with the sound of a trumpet he would send his angels to gather his chosen ones from the Earth. This would be no secret, invisible or “spiritual” event. Instead, the whole world would see him in the sky just the whole world sees the light of the sun.”
Jesus’ Failed Prophecy About His Return
A. Jesus never said HE was going to return, Jesus said we would SEE the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven.
Who is the Son of man who will come in the clouds of heaven?
B. There is no reason to think that any of the verses were ever intended to be interpreted literally, so clouds and angels and trumpets do not refer to actual clouds and angels and trumpets. Much of the Bible is figurative language, not literal.
C. Finally, the Bible does not say that it would be no secret invisible or “spiritual” event and that instead, the whole world would see him in the sky just the whole world sees the light of the sun.” The Bible says that Christ would return as a thief in the night. If it is going to be such a huge event, why does the Jesus say that we should be watching, lest we miss the huge event?
When a thief breaks into the house at night, he comes in and goes out quietly, such that nobody even notices him... It is only in the morning that the homeowner realizes that he has been there because of the telltale signs he left behind.
Rev 3:2-3 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Luke 12:39-40And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
Matthew 24:42-44 (KJV) Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Matthew 24:42-44 (TLB)So be prepared, for you don’t know what day your Lord is coming. Just as a man can prevent trouble from thieves by keeping watch for them, so you can avoid trouble by always being ready for my unannounced return.
2 Peter 3:10-13 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Mark 13:32-37 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
I rest my case.
Shroud Turin evidence son of man attacked. Horsemen riding horses is a cloud image photographed.
As men riding horses got atmospheric UFO attacked.
What returns is from mother womb space owned of spirit son of god O earth mass and son of man is burning sacrificed light.
That falls off its natural womb cross.
When science wants beginnings God heavens owned it. A return.
You gave cause back at ground attack.
Proven.
Bahai then accounted that new wandering star asteroid had returned spirit gases after that event.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Well, I think they believe the point of this life is what they can get out of their life in this world, since they "believe" that is all there is. All I can say to that is "my are they going to be surprised."
John 12:24-26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
LightofTruth
Well-Known Member
I believe their surprises have all ended.Well, I think they believe the point of this life is what they can get out of their life in this world, since they "believe" that is all there is. All I can say to that is "my are they going to be surprised."
John 12:24-26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
If God really cared about all the disillusioned Christians who believe in Jesus' literal return to earth--79% according to a recent Pew Poll--wouldn't He send his holy spirit to clear up the illusion????
This question NEVER elicits a response from Christians.
Well I assure you that it has an answer....you have never obviously asked the right Christians....
What people fail to understand is the reason why God has allowed this situation to go on for so long.....
What was the point of the exercise that is outlined in Genesis and finalized in Revelation?
Humans, under influence of the devil, (God's first rebel) were basically told that God was a liar and that they were better off making up their own minds about what was good and what wasn't....so how are we doing on that score after thousands of years of trying to do things without God's interference? He stepped out of the picture for a reason...to allow his human children to see for themselves what it meant to try and live a peaceful and happy life without him. When have we ever had such a life? We all know we want it, but we can never achieve it....why?
God also had rebels in his other family who needed to learn the same lesson about obedience to their Sovereign Lord...the maker of the rules and the enforcer of his laws.The first rebel ensnared others with his lies....and these powerful creatures could do real damage. This is why the whole lesson was conducted in their time and not ours. (2 Peter 3:8) God's entire family of intelligent creatures were going to benefit from this lesson.
In Genesis it sets the scene for all that comes after. The results and impact of sin were felt when the pair found themselves evicted from their paradise home and all that went with it. They would now have to till cursed ground to eke out an existence and raise their children. Within one generation, murder was committed and this set things in motion for all that followed. Humans would go on proving how inept they were at trying to govern themselves....allowing emotions to dictate their actions instead of God's commands.
Pride, jealousy, covetousness and all manner of negative feelings would now be displayed in their interactions with one another. Any peace they enjoyed was taken away by someone imposing their will on others.
God's command to the first pair was to "fill the earth", so God allowed them to do so, despite the fact that sin was now in the world and part of the human psyche. Yet the Creator never left them without his guidance, should they wish to accept it of their own free will. He would not force them to obey him, but would ultimately punish them if they disobeyed.....this is what happened in the garden. They knew the penalty before they ate of the fruit and death did eventually overtake them, but not before they experienced the heartbreak of pain and suffering before death came to them.
We are taking part in the greatest object lesson in the history of the world. The outcome for ourselves is what we choose to do with the life we have been given. It will either be treated as a precious gift along with all the wonders of creation that still tell us how great and generous our Creator is....or we will be like spoiled brats, whining and throwing tantrums because 'Daddy' didn't give us everything we wanted.
How much of what we lament as "wrong" in the world is all our own doing? How good could life be if we had just done as we were told in the first place?
If we are parents, what is it that makes us proud of our children? Isn't it the fact that they do what is pleasing to us, not only to demonstrate that they are mature and can see the folly of caving in to selfishness, but because they can see that our life experience (even the things we are not proud of) can save them from repeating our stupid mistakes. Isn't that the reason why we repeat the same mistakes time after time? We never learn the lessons of the past.
We hope that they will consider what impact their behavior has on others and if you stand back and look at the world......imagine if everyone did that? What is stopping them? They are.
Are you getting the reason for the lesson yet?
LightofTruth
Well-Known Member
SeekingAllTruth said: ↑
If God really cared about all the disillusioned Christians who believe in Jesus' literal return to earth--79% according to a recent Pew Poll--wouldn't He send his holy spirit to clear up the illusion????
This question NEVER elicits a response from Christians.
He sent his Holy Spirit to tell us all about it. It's recorded in the Scriptures.
Jesus won't return until the Temple in Jerusalem is rebuilt. Cause it's there where the abomination which makes desolate is set up.