Ah. OK. I read it a little differently. Looking at that chapter as a messianic prophecy is difficult for me.
How did Israel suffer for the sins of others?
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Ah. OK. I read it a little differently. Looking at that chapter as a messianic prophecy is difficult for me.
persecution? maybe the other nations sin by persecuting Israel, and then Israel suffers?How did Israel suffer for the sins of others?
persecution? maybe the other nations sin by persecuting Israel, and then Israel suffers?
I'm not sure how to explain it any other way. My answer to this would be simply repeating what I said previously.While Israel didn't suffer for their sins, how did they suffer for the sins of others when they were being persecuted?
Ah. OK. I read it a little differently. Looking at that chapter as a messianic prophecy is difficult for me.
Section one talks about salvation from the Babylonian captivity. Section two talks about salvation from sin. And section three, the last nine, salvation from the cursed earth. So the first has to do with the deliverance of Israel from Babylon. The middle one, as I said a lot earlier, has to do with the deliverance of sinners from sin. And the third one, the deliverance of the earth from the curse, the glorious coming Kingdom of Messiah.
So the middle one is the one we’re in. The middle section that we’re in runs from 49 to 57. And this middle one is the issue of forgiveness of sins, and it asks the question about salvation from sin. Not temporal deliverance from Babylon, and not the eschatological Kingdom to come in the future, but deliverance from sin. Now that poses a very important question. Don’t miss this; this would be worth waiting for. Why does God need to save His people from their sins? This is huge. This is huge.
Because Jesus had finished His work and humanity needed a new Messiah to do what Jesus left undone.God does everything with an order and a purpose. why would God send a different Messiah?
Because Jesus had finished His work and humanity needed a new Messiah to do what Jesus left undone.
John 16:12-13 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
I thought Jesus was the Savior?Why would there be a Savior who isn't God? God is the only Savior there is.
I thought Jesus was the Savior?
But that's true, ultimately it is God who saves.
Jesus was Savior but we have already been saved by the cross sacrifice so Jesus finished His work.Why would there be another Messiah if Jesus is the Savior? I remember people who were talking about mindfulness were saying that someone was a Messiah, and I find that blasphemous.
Jesus was Savior but we have already been saved by the cross sacrifice so Jesus finished His work.
Here is why we needed a new Messiah to do more work:
“The vitality of men’s belief in God is dying out in every land; nothing short of His wholesome medicine can ever restore it. The corrosion of ungodliness is eating into the vitals of human society; what else but the Elixir of His potent Revelation can cleanse and revive it? Is it within human power, O Hakím, to effect in the constituent elements of any of the minute and indivisible particles of matter so complete a transformation as to transmute it into purest gold? Perplexing and difficult as this may appear, the still greater task of converting satanic strength into heavenly power is one that We have been empowered to accomplish. The Force capable of such a transformation transcendeth the potency of the Elixir itself. The Word of God, alone, can claim the distinction of being endowed with the capacity required for so great and far-reaching a change.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 200
“How long will humanity persist in its waywardness? How long will injustice continue? How long is chaos and confusion to reign amongst men? How long will discord agitate the face of society?… The winds of despair are, alas, blowing from every direction, and the strife that divideth and afflicteth the human race is daily increasing. The signs of impending convulsions and chaos can now be discerned, inasmuch as the prevailing order appeareth to be lamentably defective.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 216
Because God needed a Messiah to deliver His message to humanity.Why would there be another Messiah if God is the only one who delivers?
Because God needed a Messiah to deliver His message to humanity.
God did not become the Messiah. The Messiah delivered God's message for God.God delivered His message to humanity when he became the Messiah.
God did not become the Messiah. The Messiah delivered God's message for God.
The Hebrew term Mashiach (or Messiah in English; Cristos, or Christ, in Greek) means “anointed one” and referred to a person who was set apart to serve Yahweh. In the Old Testament, God’s mashiachs were anointed with oil to symbolize the presence and authority of the Holy Spirit (Leviticus 4:3; 1 Samuel 12:14; 2 Samuel 19:21). God had promised Israel an ultimate Mashiach, or Messiah, and gave over 300 prophecies about this Anointed One so that they would recognize Him when He came (Isaiah 53:1; Psalm 22:27; 10:1–4; Daniel 9:25; 7:13). Jesus fulfilled every one of them, thus deserving the title Yeshua Hamaschiach for the Jewish people.
However, Jesus came into the world to offer salvation and forgiveness to everyone who calls upon His name (John 3:16–18; Acts 2:21). Surrounding His throne for all eternity will be people from “every nation, tribe, and tongue” (Revelation 7:9). God is not offended by our languages or our differences. Throughout the Bible, Yahweh even identified Himself by different names as He dealt with people in different ways (Exodus 3:14; Isaiah 48:12; Revelation 1:8). Jesus called Himself the “Son of Man” (Matthew 26:24; Luke 22:22), and others called Him “Teacher” (Matthew 8:19) and “Rabbi” (John 1:49). He never corrected anyone’s pronunciation or use of a messianic title, as long as the person came to Him in faith.
Jesus was Savior but we have already been saved by the cross sacrifice so Jesus finished His work.
Here is why we needed a new Messiah to do more work:
“The vitality of men’s belief in God is dying out in every land; nothing short of His wholesome medicine can ever restore it. The corrosion of ungodliness is eating into the vitals of human society; what else but the Elixir of His potent Revelation can cleanse and revive it? Is it within human power, O Hakím, to effect in the constituent elements of any of the minute and indivisible particles of matter so complete a transformation as to transmute it into purest gold? Perplexing and difficult as this may appear, the still greater task of converting satanic strength into heavenly power is one that We have been empowered to accomplish. The Force capable of such a transformation transcendeth the potency of the Elixir itself. The Word of God, alone, can claim the distinction of being endowed with the capacity required for so great and far-reaching a change.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 200
“How long will humanity persist in its waywardness? How long will injustice continue? How long is chaos and confusion to reign amongst men? How long will discord agitate the face of society?… The winds of despair are, alas, blowing from every direction, and the strife that divideth and afflicteth the human race is daily increasing. The signs of impending convulsions and chaos can now be discerned, inasmuch as the prevailing order appeareth to be lamentably defective.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 216
That's true.Jesus as the Messiah came to save us and teach us how to live.
That's true.
I believe that both titles refer to a Manifestation of God, not to God.Similar to Savior, Messiah is a term that I believe only should be used for God.
I believe that both titles refer to a Manifestation of God, not to God.