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Truth: either God exists or He don't.

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
But you have just reaffirmed that you are your own highest authority. You say you listen to others and you chose to buy the story from the best salesman. So you are at the mercy of sharp salesman known as sharks, they have you over a barrel because they know exactly what you want to hear and they give it to you in spades

That is a contradiction. If you are listening to other people's input then you aren't your own highest authority. You have to prove that they are salesman and sharks, which you haven't done. On the other hand you believe stuff that you admit cannot be proven, as sold by some unknown authors in a couple of books.
 

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
It's obvious that you're not interested in the truth, all you seek is someone to tell you what you want to hear. You want to be comfortable, that's why you reject anything that makes uncomfortable.
That's why they call it "the cold hard truth"

Actually, because I am open to changing my mind based on evidence, I am not just going with what I want to hear. I actually engage and try to understand opposing viewpoints and am willing for them to change my perspective.

You are a hypocrite because you clearly don't care about truth, that is why you aren't open to changing your beliefs. You are the one who wants to remain comfortable and won't accept the truth. You haven't even presented any cold hard facts to reveal the cold hard truth. You want people to belief your view because you just say so. You are irrational and fe4ar logic because if you had to look logic in the face you would realize that your beliefs about what you know are a farce.You have a whole lot of preconceived ideas which have no valid supporting evidence and stick to those preconceived ideas. You are so delusional that you think that your imagination is the truth.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
You are the one who wants to remain comfortable and won't accept the truth.

You have a whole lot of preconceived ideas which have no valid supporting evidence and stick to those preconceived ideas. You are so delusional that you think that your imagination is the truth.
If I had a dollar for everyone who fits that description, I'd be a millionaire. ;)
 

Pilgrim Soldier

Active Member
No, you are the one that believes in magic. your God magicked the world into existence in your beliefs.

I want you to learn how to test your ideas properly. You refuse to do so with your god beliefs.

I know, knowledge is scary.
as i said and it went straight over your head,
YOU ONLY TEST SOMETHING IF YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ANYTHING ABOUT IT OR IF IT WAS BROKEN AND STICKY TAPED BACK TOGETHER., YOU DON'T TEST PERFECTION. DON'T FIX IT IF IT AIN'T BROKEN.
 

Pilgrim Soldier

Active Member
We've been over cosmology, haven't we? Haven't several people explained to you the different hypotheses? Why go back to this simplistic nonsense?



I suggest you learn something about evolution by natural selection.
Evolution is just a scam, it has no answers for anything. I studied it for years and found it to be a BIG FAT LIE
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
YOU ONLY TEST SOMETHING IF YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ANYTHING ABOUT IT OR IF IT WAS BROKEN AND STICKY TAPED BACK TOGETHER., YOU DON'T TEST PERFECTION. DON'T FIX IT IF IT AIN'T BROKEN.

You think your own ideas are perfect? That's really quite funny. The way to learn about the world is to test your hypotheses.
 

Pilgrim Soldier

Active Member
No. I'm saying that you know nothing about science and evidence and seem way, way too frightened to even let the simple facts you've been shown here sink in, and your source is from people who have agreed that no evidence must be allowed to override their blind faith.

It really is the height of hypocrisy to accuse others of not believing things because it's not what they've been "programmed to believe" or to ask people to spend time on your videos when you have obviously spent no time at all trying to understand what science really has to say, what evidence is, and how it has been used.
You guys have zero evidence and zero facts, all you have is a bunch of self defeating theories which rely on constant life support
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Evolution is just a scam, it has no answers for anything. I studied it for years and found it to be a BIG FAT LIE

Where did you study it? If you used creationists sources, they do present a lie about it. What specifically do you think is wrong with the theory? How do you explain all the evidence? Why do almost all the world's experts think you're wrong and the ones who think you're right are fellow religious cultists (have an obvious vested interest)?

What do you think is happening? There is somehow a world-wide conspiracy between scientists from all different cultures nationalities and religions, and only your fellow cultists can see through it? Are the scientists all stupid?
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
You guys have zero evidence and zero facts, all you have is a bunch of self defeating theories which rely on constant life support

You have been given evidence and you haven't (as far as I can tell) even looked at it and you clearly don't understand the science you criticise.
 

Pilgrim Soldier

Active Member
Give it up for lost. Jesus never promised to return to earth, not once in the entire New Testament.
Not only that, but Jesus said He was NOT coming back to earth and His work was finished on earth.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.


no more
phrase of more

  1. nothing further.
    "there was no more to be said about it"

  2. no further.
    "you must have some soup, but no more wine"

  3. exist no longer.
    "the patch of ground was overgrown and the hut was no more"

  4. never again.
    "mention his name no more to me"

  5. neither.
    "I had no complaints and no more did Tom"
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You must be reading the koran, the Bible teaches that Jesus is coming back to fight for control of this world and He will kill billions of His enemies then He will set Himself up as the ruler of this world.
You should read a bible and stop reading fairy tales about the bible,
Jesus is coming back as a war Lord and military leader, the battle will be the bloodiest and most violent in human history. He will personally slay so many men that their blood will be 6 feet deep
 

Pilgrim Soldier

Active Member
Where did you study it? If you used creationists sources, they do present a lie about it. What specifically do you think is wrong with the theory? How do you explain all the evidence? Why do almost all the world's experts think you're wrong and the ones who think you're right are fellow religious cultists (have an obvious vested interest)?

What do you think is happening? There is somehow a world-wide conspiracy between scientists from all different cultures nationalities and religions, and only your fellow cultists can see through it? Are the scientists all stupid?
I studied evolution at school and university. I specifically know (not think) I actually know for a fact that the whole idea of evolution is a big fat lie.
I know that all scientists must agree with that lie or they lose their job, so it's like a Mafia organisation
 

Pilgrim Soldier

Active Member
That is a contradiction. If you are listening to other people's input then you aren't your own highest authority. You have to prove that they are salesman and sharks, which you haven't done. On the other hand you believe stuff that you admit cannot be proven, as sold by some unknown authors in a couple of books.
You have never learned anything or discovered anything or made an informed decision about anything. You have never tested the information you buy, you buy it because it looks good and your idols buy it as well.

You follow your salesman blindly, you can't test their products but you place your life in their hands. You can't name one single thing, that you know is a fact. Everything you know and believe came from the mind of some snake oil salesman
 

Pilgrim Soldier

Active Member
Actually, because I am open to changing my mind based on evidence, I am not just going with what I want to hear. I actually engage and try to understand opposing viewpoints and am willing for them to change my perspective.

You are a hypocrite because you clearly don't care about truth, that is why you aren't open to changing your beliefs. You are the one who wants to remain comfortable and won't accept the truth. You haven't even presented any cold hard facts to reveal the cold hard truth. You want people to belief your view because you just say so. You are irrational and fe4ar logic because if you had to look logic in the face you would realize that your beliefs about what you know are a farce.You have a whole lot of preconceived ideas which have no valid supporting evidence and stick to those preconceived ideas. You are so delusional that you think that your imagination is the truth.
Thank you for admitting that you don't know the truth or what the facts are. If you knew the truth, you wouldn't be open to receive lies as you have admitted above.
The fact that you are open to receive lies suggests that you don't know the truth. If you knew the truth, you wouldn't still be seeking it.
My door is closed to lies, they just bounce off me because the truth respells lies. But you are open because you don't know the truth, so any sharp shark can sell you snake oil
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
You must be reading the koran, the Bible teaches that Jesus is coming back to fight for control of this world and He will kill billions of His enemies then He will set Himself up as the ruler of this world.
You should read a bible and stop reading fairy tales about the bible,
Jesus is coming back as a war Lord and military leader, the battle will be the bloodiest and most violent in human history. He will personally slay so many men that their blood will be 6 feet deep
No, I am reading only the Bible and there is not one single verse in the Bible that says that Jesus is coming back to earth.

But if you are going to make the claim, please provide the actual verses that "you believe" support this claim.
Otherwise I will consider it am empty claim, a bald assertion, a personal opinion.
 

Pilgrim Soldier

Active Member
You have been given evidence and you haven't (as far as I can tell) even looked at it and you clearly don't understand the science you criticise.
The problem is, what you call evidence and science, I know to be lies and unsubstantiated claims. Why would I waste time studying lies and wild theories which have no place in reality
 

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
You have never learned anything or discovered anything or made an informed decision about anything. You have never tested the information you buy, you buy it because it looks good and your idols buy it as well.

You follow your salesman blindly, you can't test their products but you place your life in their hands. You can't name one single thing, that you know is a fact. Everything you know and believe came from the mind of some snake oil salesman
Oh really?

I am using a keyboard, provable fact.
I am seeing your message on RF using a computer, provable fact.
I know therefore I am. Fact.
I see tree outside. Fact.
I see birds outside. Fact.
I have studied the Bible. Fact.
Compared what it says about reality, such as everybody knows that god exists and have proven it wrong because I don't fit that description. Fact.
What salesman do I need for these things?

I might not have tested information like science myself, but there are a whole lot of trained professionals who have investigated the information and therefore can make predictions based off that decision. The predictions are the visible result.

So at least they have visible results.

You say there is a god... um.... where is he?
What visible predictions can you make off said god? None.
Therefore is their reason for me to believe anything you say? No.

You believe just because you want to.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
I studied evolution at school and university. I specifically know (not think) I actually know for a fact that the whole idea of evolution is a big fat lie.

I find it quite difficult to believe that you studied it formally. Did you pass any exams? Had you already made up your mind? How come you post things that show a total lack of understanding? Why won't you give us an example of a specific lie?

Claims of absolute knowledge about this are just silly - as you would know if you'd actually studied and understood any science.
 
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