• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

The Kingdom; hard to envision?

Samael_Khan

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
capumetu said:
We may or may not sir, simple as that. Today's truths may be tomorrows failures. We are reasonably certain however that revealed truths will always progress forward, rather than backward.

We are not infallible, and far from having absolute truth. When will we have that? When satan is loosened from his prison for the final test, at that point we will be on equal ground with Adam.
Click to expand...

OK. So you aren't sure that you are correct, but you recognize that you might be wrong and teaching a falsehood at the moment?
 
capumetu

capumetu

Active Member
Israel Khan said:
So then you believe that exploring God's works would be the conflict that we grow from?
The Bible states this sir:
(Hebrews 4:12) . . .For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints from the marrow, and is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Very few people who study it are unaltered by it. It is a struggle I admit, but I wouldn't call it a conflict. Jesus did say however:
(Luke 13:24) 24 “Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able.
Some versions use the word strive, or fight there, it is definitely a challenge

Unfortunately this is a myth. (If only it was true I would be able to be psychic. It was sad to hear.)

You may very well be correct about that, I hope you are wrong however as I am a stupid donkey. At any rate that is the predominant theory.
How much of our brain do we actually use? Brain facts and myths (medicalnewstoday.com)
Click to expand...
 
capumetu

capumetu

Active Member
Israel Khan said:
OK. So you aren't sure that you are correct, but you recognize that you might be wrong and teaching a falsehood at the moment?
Click to expand...

Certainly. Matter of fact early in teaching a new Bible student I openly tell them, I may be correct and I may be wrong in what I teach you, God's word is truth. You have to determine for yourself if what I say is correct or not.
 
Samael_Khan

Samael_Khan

Goosebender

Okay so you believe that a perfect world will still have its struggles but no harmful conflict between humans maybe?
 
Samael_Khan

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
capumetu said:
Certainly. Matter of fact early in teaching a new Bible student I openly tell them, I may be correct and I may be wrong in what I teach you, God's word is truth. You have to determine for yourself if what I say is correct or not.
Click to expand...

I respect you for that.
 
capumetu

capumetu

Active Member
Israel Khan said:
Okay so you believe that a perfect world will still have its struggles but no harmful conflict between humans maybe?
Click to expand...

The perfect world will be brought back to God's original purpose. When satan and those who side with him are destroyed, we will technically be right back to the start, moving forward on the path that God intended.
 
Samael_Khan

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
capumetu said:
The perfect world will be brought back to God's original purpose. When satan and those who side with him are destroyed, we will technically be right back to the start, moving forward on the path that God intended.
Click to expand...

Yes, but would humans still have struggles to overcome?
 
Samael_Khan

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
capumetu said:
Thanks Israel, but it is simply the truth.
Click to expand...

Well I rarely come across a person who takes their logic to their natural conclusion like you have. Many don't recognise that if beliefs can change that current beliefs might also be prone to change. They often believe that their current beliefs are definitely true despite past experience.
 
dybmh

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
capumetu said:
Imagine a world without wars, without crime, poverty, or even sickness and death. Virtually impossible right? Yet that is what Jehovah promises, and just as sure as His existence it will come about.
Click to expand...

I believe that isn't exactly true. The scripture mentions trees for healing which suggests sickness that needs to be healed. And although there is no death from old age there are other ways to die. That is why the gods who were said to have eternal life are no longer with us.
 
capumetu

capumetu

Active Member
dybmh said:
Does Jesus describe the Kingdom in detail? I looked on my own, but didn't find it.
Click to expand...

The Bible identifies what the Kingdom is to a great degree sir.

Enjoy this video: https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/good-news-from-god/what-is-gods-kingdom/video-kingdom-come/

This may help:
God’s Kingdom is a real government established by Jehovah God. “The kingdom of God” is also called “the kingdom of heaven” in the Bible, since it rules from heaven. (Mark 1:14, 15; Matthew 4:17, King James Version) It shares many attributes of human governments, yet it is superior to them in every way.

  • Rulers. God has appointed Jesus Christ as King of the Kingdom and has given him more authority than any human ruler could ever have. (Matthew 28:18) Jesus uses this power only for good, since he has already proved to be a reliable and compassionate Leader. (Matthew 4:23; Mark 1:40, 41; 6:31-34; Luke 7:11-17) Under God’s direction, Jesus has selected persons from all nations who will “rule as kings over the earth” with him in heaven.—Revelation 5:9, 10.

  • Duration. Unlike human governments, which come and go, God’s Kingdom “will never be brought to ruin.”—Daniel 2:44.

  • Subjects. Anyone who does what God requires can be a subject of God’s Kingdom, without regard for ancestry or birthplace.—Acts 10:34, 35.

  • Laws. The laws (or commandments) of God’s Kingdom do more than just prohibit wrong behavior. They raise the moral character of its subjects. For example, the Bible says: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ This is the greatest and first commandment. The second, like it, is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’” (Matthew 22:37-39) Love of God and neighbor moves subjects of the Kingdom to act in the best interests of others.

  • Education. While God’s Kingdom sets high standards for its subjects, it also teaches people how to meet those standards.—Isaiah 48:17, 18.

  • Mission. The Kingdom of God doesn’t enrich its rulers at the expense of its subjects. Instead, it will accomplish God’s will, including the promise that those who love him will live forever on a paradise earth.—Isaiah 35:1, 5, 6; Matthew 6:10; Revelation 21:1-4.
 
capumetu

capumetu

Active Member
Muffled said:
I believe that isn't exactly true. The scripture mentions trees for healing which suggests sickness that needs to be healed. And although there is no death from old age there are other ways to die. That is why the gods who were said to have eternal life are no longer with us.
Click to expand...

(Isaiah 33:24) . . .And no resident will say: “I am sick.” The people dwelling in the land will be pardoned for their error.

This is prophecy Muffled, as never in history has this been fulfilled. I sure hope you are wrong.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top