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"no" on impeachment, once again, term limits seem like a fine idea

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
OP should have said "GOP, "no" on impeachment..."

Is there any question that senators and congressmen mostly put their own career interests ahead of what's good for the country and its citizens?

One term and you're done, and I'd be fine with a generous pension plan for these self-serving imposters.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
OP should have said "GOP, "no" on impeachment..."

Is there any question that senators and congressmen mostly put their own career interests ahead of what's good for the country and its citizens?

One term and you're done, and I'd be fine with a generous pension plan for these self-serving imposters.
GREAT!

Now we can get to the real reason we have our Senators up there for... governing... and not wasting money.

If that is possible.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
OP should have said "GOP, "no" on impeachment..."

Is there any question that senators and congressmen mostly put their own career interests ahead of what's good for the country and its citizens?

One term and you're done, and I'd be fine with a generous pension plan for these self-serving imposters.

Not your call, other than you get the one vote. We can still fantasize about the perfect government though.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I can see no evidence to doubt, along with a mountain of evidence to conclude, that at least half the lawmakers in both Houses of Congress are controlled by the billionaires and large corporations. I think most likely the number is substantially higher than that. This isn't new to American politics, nor to politics most anywhere. The most notable time it was the case, other than right now, was during the Age of the Robber Barons.

At any rate, it's unlikely any limit on terms in office could make it through either chamber, now. But for fun, let's assume one was passed into law. Lots of things would happen, of course. One of those things is it would probably impact some of the nuts and bolts about how lawmakers are bought. I'm not sure at any of those impacts would make any practical difference to how things are done today.

In other words, term limits might or might not be a good idea, but I believe it unlikely they would change who controls Congress. To be clear, I'm not talking about party control. I'm of course talking about control by the wealthiest.

So far as I can see, there is no substitute or work around to getting private money out of politics. I think it's best nowadays to start looking into government campaign funding and criminalization of private donations, gifts, etc.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
OP should have said "GOP, "no" on impeachment..."

Is there any question that senators and congressmen mostly put their own career interests ahead of what's good for the country and its citizens?

One term and you're done, and I'd be fine with a generous pension plan for these self-serving imposters.
I've been wanting that for as long as I can remember.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I've been wanting that for as long as I can remember.
Term limits date back to the American Revolution. Research shows that legislative term limits increase legislative polarization, reduce the legislative skills of politicians, reduce the legislative productivity of politicians, weaken legislatures vis-a-vis the executive, and reduce voter turnout. Term limits have not reduced campaign spending, reduced the gender gap in political representation, increased the diversity of law-makers, or increased the constituent service activities of law-makers. Term limits have been linked to lower growth in revenues and expenditures.
Term limits in the United States - Wikipedia.

Not that I'm advocating to not have term limits but I guess the excuses being used to not have term limits.

Guess we are just lucky to have them for presidents.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
OP should have said "GOP, "no" on impeachment..."

Is there any question that senators and congressmen mostly put their own career interests ahead of what's good for the country and its citizens?

One term and you're done, and I'd be fine with a generous pension plan for these self-serving imposters.
I'd be ok with two terms to reward those who serve well. But after that go home, go back to work, no more lavish benefits.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
term limits increase legislative polarization, reduce the legislative skills of politicians, reduce the legislative productivity of politicians, weaken legislatures vis-a-vis the executive, and reduce voter turnout. Term limits have not reduced campaign spending, reduced the gender gap in political representation, increased the diversity of law-makers, or increased the constituent service activities of law-makers. Term limits have been linked to lower growth in revenues and expenditures.
We have a staggering lack of term limits here, and what you say they do we already have profound cases of without.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
We have a staggering lack of term limits here, and what you say they do we already have profound cases of without.

I remember when term limits was an issue in Calif. I think a lot of the same excuses were brought up then too.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
GREAT!

Now we can get to the real reason we have our Senators up there for... governing... and not wasting money.

If that is possible.
Actively investigating alleged sedition is governing and an important part of it.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
These investigations should have started that with the FISA court lies et al.
Maybe, but they didn't. It passed the House and it demands the time for it. If the GOP can do it for Clinton lying about getting some, we can do it for Trump participating in the attack on Capital Hill.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Maybe, but they didn't. It passed the House and it demands the time for it. If the GOP can do it for Clinton lying about getting some, we can do it for Trump participating in the attack on Capital Hill.
Is this the circle of life? :D No wonder this nation is frustrated.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
OP should have said "GOP, "no" on impeachment..."

Is there any question that senators and congressmen mostly put their own career interests ahead of what's good for the country and its citizens?

One term and you're done, and I'd be fine with a generous pension plan for these self-serving imposters.
You can use Thread Tools to edit your title.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
Is this the circle of life? :D No wonder this nation is frustrated.
I can't think of a more worthwhile investigation than one that challenged the election process.
 
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