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The Kingdom; hard to envision?

Clara Tea

Well-Known Member
Imagine a world without wars, without crime, poverty, or even sickness and death. Virtually impossible right? Yet that is what Jehovah promises, and just as sure as His existence it will come about.

We are supposed to have a word of peace, but the lack of faith in God prevented it. When the Al Qaeda attacked, President W. Bush attacked Iraq (against God's orders in Revelation). People were supposed to follow God's laws (thou shalt not kill)(turn the other cheek). Instead, the faithless followed the so-called logic of mankind (kill them on their soil before they attack us again).

If we just follow God, the world would be like heaven. You can be assured that those who don't follow God down here on Earth, will not be allowed into heaven. Heaven wouldn't be heavenly if a lot of faithless bad people were allowed in.
 

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
Imagine a world without wars, without crime, poverty, or even sickness and death. Virtually impossible right? Yet that is what Jehovah promises, and just as sure as His existence it will come about.

A peaceful world is hard to imagine, and sounds pretty boring. Humans like conflict, which is why conflict is involved in every good story.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Seems to me to be a bit destructive, no? To me, it's akin to standing idly by while a riot plays out.

Or it could be likened to allowing a bunch of rioters loose to prove their point.....allowing them to see the results of implementing their own ill-conceived ideas.
What is the best way to demonstrate something?....let people have their own way and see for themselves what happens. Mankind convinced themselves that they were better off making up their own minds about what was good and what was evil instead of allowing a much older and wiser person to do that for them.....so what better way to show them the folly of self-determination, when the Creator never gave them that faculty in the first place?

If all else fails...follow the manufacturer's instructions....:shrug:
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Also, if Jehovah promised this, what is he waiting for?
He is waiting for those who might seek him, to find him, giving them ample opportunity to do so through the preaching of his servants in this "time of the end".

Humans have free will and each of us is choosing our own future, just by the choices we make.

Unfortunately, those who fail to seek God will have no opportunity for citizenship in his Kingdom, soon to take over control of the earth as its only rulership. So unless they respond to his invitation, which is extended to all, life will be withdrawn because God will never force anyone to serve him. Those who do not want God in their lives will never have to endure life in the Kingdom of God...is that not fair?

According to Bible prophesy, not many will survive the end times......its not hard to see why IMO.
 

capumetu

Active Member
OK. So what is your definition of generation?

Great question sir, picture a family as that is what Jesus was comparing it to. We believe Jesus received the crown in 1914, thus we have the starting point. We also believe it is speaking about anointed Christians, to those whom the covenant was made.

So all the anointed brothers of Christ alive upon Jesus being crowned as King would be the parents of the generation, the end of the previous generation. Anyone who became anointed Christians during their lifetime would be the generation Jesus was speaking about. Before these die off, the great tribulation will occur.

That is the simple explanation. This video explains it very well to a greater degree if you are interested: https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/StudioMonthlyPrograms/pub-jwb_201509_1_VIDEO
 

capumetu

Active Member
We are supposed to have a word of peace, but the lack of faith in God prevented it. When the Al Qaeda attacked, President W. Bush attacked Iraq (against God's orders in Revelation). People were supposed to follow God's laws (thou shalt not kill)(turn the other cheek). Instead, the faithless followed the so-called logic of mankind (kill them on their soil before they attack us again).

If we just follow God, the world would be like heaven. You can be assured that those who don't follow God down here on Earth, will not be allowed into heaven. Heaven wouldn't be heavenly if a lot of faithless bad people were allowed in.

You are very well correct maam. Interestingly finding God's people is definitely considerably easier knowing that they will not participate in carnal warfare. How many faiths do you know of that won't participate in war? Really narrows it down for sure. Thanks for your reply.
 

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
Great question sir, picture a family as that is what Jesus was comparing it to. We believe Jesus received the crown in 1914, thus we have the starting point. We also believe it is speaking about anointed Christians, to those whom the covenant was made.

So all the anointed brothers of Christ alive upon Jesus being crowned as King would be the parents of the generation, the end of the previous generation. Anyone who became anointed Christians during their lifetime would be the generation Jesus was speaking about. Before these die off, the great tribulation will occur.

That is the simple explanation. This video explains it very well to a greater degree if you are interested: https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/StudioMonthlyPrograms/pub-jwb_201509_1_VIDEO

So how long roughly is it till the generation ends?

Howcome your group didn't have this current understanding of what a generation is to begin with?
 

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
Perhaps I am not human.

I am not necessarily talking about really harmful conflict. At its base meaning, conflict is a "road block" that one has to overcome in order to progress.

Someone getting into an argument is conflict. Or someone not being able to cross a river is conflict.

How will people grow as people if there is no conflict in the world?

Or would a perfect world, a world without conflict, in your mind be a world in which there are still problems to solve and overcome?
 

capumetu

Active Member
So how long roughly is it till the generation ends?
History in the Bible shows that the avg is 70 to 80 years Ps 90:10, and sometime after the flood virtually in every case a maximum of 120 yrs Gen 6:3
Howcome your group didn't have this current understanding of what a generation is to begin with?

Prophecy was intended to be revealed progressively Pro 4:18; Dan 12:4; Isa 2:2,3; John 16:12
 

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
Prophecy was intended to be revealed progressively Pro 4:18; Dan 12:4; Isa 2:2,3; John 16:12

Wait, but if you guys were wrong then, and you believed what was wrong based on your interpretation of the bible, then why do you think that you have the correct interpretation now?
 

capumetu

Active Member
I am not necessarily talking about really harmful conflict. At its base meaning, conflict is a "road block" that one has to overcome in order to progress.

Someone getting into an argument is conflict. Or someone not being able to cross a river is conflict.

How will people grow as people if there is no conflict in the world?

Or would a perfect world, a world without conflict, in your mind be a world in which there are still problems to solve and overcome?

Perhaps this will interest you sir
(Ecclesiastes 3:11) . . .He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has even put eternity in their heart; yet mankind will never find out the work that the true God has made from start to finish.

If we live the promised eternity, no matter how much we learn, we will never know it all, there will always be more to learn. Interestingly however, scientists say we are able to use only a minute portion of our brain, imagine how it will be when our intellect is actually opened to us.
 

capumetu

Active Member
Wait, but if you guys were wrong then, and you believed what was wrong based on your interpretation of the bible, then why do you think that you have the correct interpretation now?

We may or may not sir, simple as that. Today's truths may be tomorrows failures. We are reasonably certain however that revealed truths will always progress forward, rather than backward.

We are not infallible, and far from having absolute truth. When will we have that? When satan is loosened from his prison for the final test, at that point we will be on equal ground with Adam.
 

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
Perhaps this will interest you sir
(Ecclesiastes 3:11) . . .He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has even put eternity in their heart; yet mankind will never find out the work that the true God has made from start to finish.
So then you believe that exploring God's works would be the conflict that we grow from?

If we live the promised eternity, no matter how much we learn, we will never know it all, there will always be more to learn. Interestingly however, scientists say we are able to use only a minute portion of our brain, imagine how it will be when our intellect is actually opened to us.
Unfortunately this is a myth. (If only it was true I would be able to be psychic. It was sad to hear.)

How much of our brain do we actually use? Brain facts and myths (medicalnewstoday.com)
 
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