Do you think religious prophet's knew spiritual teaching would change in time?

[Spirit of Light]

Today we see religion or spiritual teaching different than they did 2000 years ago.

Maybe it be that instead of living exactly as they did 2000 years ago, is not how it was meant to be lived today?

Are we meant to use the teaching in a way that reflect the truth (according to the teaching) but not refuse to live in the modern world?

 

[SalixIncendium]

That's the beauty of the path I follow. I've yet to find time-bound teachings that require adaptation to the modern world.

 

[Spirit of Light]

That's the beauty of the path I follow. I've yet to find time-bound teachings that require adaptation to the modern world.

Do you think many muslims could be less "obsessed" with how they live? Would it be better to relax a bit in the way religious practice is done?

 

[SigurdReginson]

Those kind of problems only seem to exist for religions that are supposed to contain THE ultimate truth, I've noticed.

Truths aren't as simple as right or wrong, yes or no, or black and white. There is no ultimate answer for everything. There are also times when things change in light of new evidence.

Even if truth is an objective thing, our ability to understand it is not. When it comes to human matters, that objective truth is much more fluid and changes over time. I find the most value in ideas that leave themselves room to adapt rather than dualistic and rigid ideas that don't.

 

[Audie]

Do you think many muslims could be less "obsessed" with how they live? Would it be better to relax a bit in the way religious practice is done?

I am told that in animal training, its a thing
to have more rules and commands than are
seemingly necessary.

Or in the army!

I expect all the rituals religions impose have
a similar function, and of course are eventually
internalized.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Do you think many muslims could be less "obsessed" with how they live? Would it be better to relax a bit in the way religious practice is done?

It depends on what aspects of how they live. If it's principled and benevolent to themselves and society as a whole, I don't see any need to relax anything. However, if it simply doesn't make sense for such a practice to be done today as it had in the past, relaxing the requirements for those practices might be advised.

Can you give me some specific examples?

 

[Spirit of Light]

It depends on what aspects of how they live. If it's principled and benevolent to themselves and society as a whole, I don't see any need to relax anything. However, if it simply doesn't make sense for such a practice to be done today as it had in the past, relaxing the requirements for those practices might be advised.

Can you give me some specific examples?

An example is how many muslim contries punish Gay or lesbian muslims, or how they punish non muslims with their terror around the world.

As a muslim my self, i could not take part in punishing others because they live different then my self.
I believe religious people would get it better if they focused more on inward enlightentment than to tell others how they want others to live.

 

[SalixIncendium]

An example is how many muslim contries punish Gay or lesbian muslims, or how they punish non muslims with their terror around the world.

This would be an example of the opposite of what I said in my previous post. It may be principled in their own eyes, but not in society's eyes as a whole, and certainly not benevolent for homosexuals or to those which they commit terroristic acts. Unless the homosexuals are raping them or making them become homosexual, I think the mindset should shift from "fixing" others to focus on one's own personal improvement.

Since you ask, yes, these are practices that, in my opinion, need to change to be aligned to today's society.

 

[Native]

Today we see religion or spiritual teaching different than they did 2000 years ago.
Maybe it be that instead of living exactly as they did 2000 years ago, is not how it was meant to be lived today?
Are we meant to use the teaching in a way that reflect the truth (according to the teaching) but not refuse to live in the modern world?

The *spiritual teaching* have always been at the stage as *an instinctive and intuitive* way of sensing everything - as in EVERYTING.

In the *Shamanic Tradition*, knowledge even from *far out in space* was gained by the *Soul´s out-of-body spiritual journeys*. Even the smallest *Native Tribes* had their Shamans.

Nothing new there - except most cultures forgot to keep this genuine and genious tradition alive - or simply were forced to give it up by political forces in cooperation with newer more *superficial religions*.

 

[Polymath257]

There is evidence that Buddha knew his teachings would be changed over time. When he set up the monasteries, he was asked if women should be allowed. He said that if they were, his teachings would last 500 years and if they were not, they would last 1000 years.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Today we see religion or spiritual teaching different than they did 2000 years ago.

Maybe it be that instead of living exactly as they did 2000 years ago, is not how it was meant to be lived today?

Are we meant to use the teaching in a way that reflect the truth (according to the teaching) but not refuse to live in the modern world?

Yes definitely. If there was no need for religions to be adapted to different ages then Prophets would not continue to appear.

This verse from the Bhagavad-Gita ch 4


Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, 0 descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion-at that time I descend Myself.

In order to deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as t o reestablish the principles of religion, I advent Myself millennium after millennium.

If there was no need to adapt religion to future ages then Krishna would not be returning every millennium.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Those kind of problems only seem to exist for religions that are supposed to contain THE ultimate truth, I've noticed.

Truths aren't as simple as right or wrong, yes or no, or black and white. There is no ultimate answer for everything. There are also times when things change in light of new evidence.

Even if truth is an objective thing, our ability to understand it is not. When it comes to human matters, that objective truth is much more fluid and changes over time. I find the most value in ideas that leave themselves room to adapt rather than dualistic and rigid ideas that don't.

We believe religious truth is relative not absolute and that it is revealed according to the needs of the age we live in.

 

[sayak83]

Today we see religion or spiritual teaching different than they did 2000 years ago.

Maybe it be that instead of living exactly as they did 2000 years ago, is not how it was meant to be lived today?

Are we meant to use the teaching in a way that reflect the truth (according to the teaching) but not refuse to live in the modern world?

Yes to this.

 

[sayak83]

An example is how many muslim contries punish Gay or lesbian muslims, or how they punish non muslims with their terror around the world.

As a muslim my self, i could not take part in punishing others because they live different then my self.
I believe religious people would get it better if they focused more on inward enlightentment than to tell others how they want others to live.

I think the Muslim world needs more democracy. Democracy creates free-er discussions and more open minds and this helps the religion as well.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I think the Muslim world needs more democracy. Democracy creates free-er discussions and more open minds and this helps the religion as well.

I agree with you on this

 

[amorphous_constellation]

The modern world does seem to collide directly into many of our ideas about who we are, and what we believe. Therefore, I kind of like the idea of reaching into the future for spirituality, or exploring the present, though what many of us often do , is just to try and look deep into the past. Sure the past matters, and I'll always read about it, but maybe the past things were meant for the past? And on top of that, would any of us even recognize the religions we claim to follow if we journeyed to those times

Nice chipper photo btw, you look pretty much like me, though I don't wear glasses

 

[sun rise]

Are we meant to use the teaching in a way that reflect the truth (according to the teaching) but not refuse to live in the modern world?

The essential core does not change but the manifestation should. For example, an Islamic teaching is that men and women should dress modestly. The purpose to me is that people's minds should not be drawn into seeing other people in sexual terms but as complete human beings.

What that means in today's West is quite different than it was in the Arabian Peninsula in Muhammad's time.