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Is my Religion Homophobic? In my Religion, we hate homosexuality and love homosexuals.

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
The number of LGBTQ people grows. Thus, at least one heterosexual has changed his own mindset to homosexuality. Can he change it back?

No. For example, each human to one degree to another has sexual attraction (we have physiological, biological, and psychological response) to other people. This we cannot change. We cannot change our mindset to another sexual orientation. Attraction is not a choice so you can't change it. It's part of who we are whether we have attraction or not, little or full-blown.

So, if you're attracted to the opposite sex (definition above), you can't change your body and mind responses to that attraction. You can't change your mindset. You can change your behavior but not your attraction.

Scripture talks about behavior not attraction. Heterosexuals commit homosexuality in the bible. Today's science we know homosexuality is not a behavior (US no longer arrests people for it, for example; and, we're no longer told we have a mental illness).

That's basically the gist. No. You can't change. As for the statistics, I'm not sure where you got that? Sexual attraction isn't black and white; so, even if you had a statistic it's not capturing all people all over the world who identify along the spectrum of attraction.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
you have no interest in hearing from anyone else.
My mindset is not fixed, my mindset is changing in conversations with good people here.
I am just making the point, my Religion is not a sinful sectarian organization. My Religion teaches to love gay people.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
My mindset is not fixed, my mindset is changing in conversations with good people here.
I am just making the point, my Religion is not a sinful sectarian organization. My Religion teaches to love gay people.

When you say your belief is DOGMA, you are communicating that your mind is made up and your belief is non-negotiable. That's what DOGMA is.

You cannot love a person whose identity you hate.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I'm a musician.
If people tell me they love me, but hate me being a musician... I don't want them as close contacts.
I don't want this love.
I don't want constant battling about me and my career. Either they accept it or not. I don't want to constantly be told I must change my music/ my style/ my profession/ my life/ and so on.

I think that LGBT+ people feel the same about the love being shown to them by devout Christians.

Nice. I agree.
 

epronovost

Well-Known Member
Jesus has taught me to separate sin from the sinner. It is my Religion DOGMA. The DOGMA is absolute Truth. I am instructed by Holy Fathers to call my Religion as right one. Thus, my religion is not wrong, with all respect to other religious people.

That you enjoy and support homophobia as a gesture of obediance to dogma doesn't make it any less homophobia. Your support or enjoyment of something doesn't change it's nature.
 

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
Is my religion homophobic?

Probably, according to whoever comes up with these words, but you are neither right or wrong in your belief. I don’t really use the term.

ho·mo·pho·bi·a
/ˌhōməˈfōbēə/

noun
  1. dislike of or prejudice against gay people.

Fear is only one form of dislike and prejudiciable attitute and does not encompass the full range of homophobia.
So does that mean...

Religiophobia
noun
  1. dislike of or prejudice against religions or religious people.
Islamophobia
noun
  1. dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims.
Christophobia
noun
  1. dislike of or prejudice against Christianity or Christians.

Judeophobia
noun
  1. dislike of or prejudice against Judaism as a religion, and the Jews who practice it (Antisemitism is defined as hatred towards Jews as a race)

Heterophobia
noun
  1. dislike of or prejudice against straight people (heterosexuals)

(And then this interesting word)

Oikophobia
noun
  1. Aversion to home environment, irrational fear of one’s home
  2. Aversion to traditional values and the culture of one’s homeland/ birthplace/ country of origin.
  3. The felt need to denigrate the customs, culture, and institutions of one’s own people or homeland/ birthplace/ country of origin.
(also...)
Allodoxaphobia
noun
  1. Fear of other people’s opinions
 
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epronovost

Well-Known Member
Probably, according to whoever comes up with these words, but you are neither right or wrong in your belief. I don’t really use the term.


So does that mean...

Religiophobia
noun
  1. dislike of or prejudice against religions or religious people.
Islamophobia
noun
  1. dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims.
Christophobia
noun
  1. dislike of or prejudice against Christianity or Christians.

Judeophobia
noun
  1. dislike of or prejudice against Judaism as a religion, and the Jews who practice it (Antisemitism is defined as hatred towards Jews as a race)

Heterophobia
noun
  1. dislike of or prejudice against straight people (heterosexuals)

(And then this interesting word:)

Oikophobia
noun
  1. Aversion to home environment, irrational fear of one’s home
  2. Aversion to traditional values and the culture of one’s homeland/ birthplace/ country of origin.
  3. The felt need to denigrate the customs, culture, and institutions of one’s own people or homeland/ birthplace/ country of origin.
(also...)
Allodoxaphobia
noun
  1. Fear of other people’s opinions

Depends. Look it up and see what gives. Some might be neologism without a properly established definition. For example, religiophobia isn't the term described for the fear, dislike or prejudice toward religion. It's theophobia. Though theophobia can also extand to the fear of god(s).
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
You cannot love a person whose identity you hate.
My Religion has taught me to love sinners and hate sin. My Religion tells me what is sin. I am a slave of my God. The God of my Religion. That is my identity. Do you hate my identity? Well, do not hate me.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
If I said I love Christians, but hate Christianity, would you say I was biased?

It depends. If you see christians by how you define christianity, there could be some bias. If you see christians as how they define themselves apart from your hate for christianity, that is better.

If a gay friend invited his christian best friend to the marriage, by the christian saying they hate "gay marriage" it means they don't approve of their friends marriage and thereby don't approve the love he has for his would be husband. It's an insult.

Edit. A friend may get insulted but understand depending on the nature of the relationship and how they understand each other. A stranger may get insulted because that christian just judged the value and nature of the gay person's love by his or her hatred for gay marriage.
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
How's that work then?
I'll provide some NT quotes which hopefully are obvious enough to avoid lengthy explanations. What you need to realize is that 'Mere human instincts' are part of the old life. Christians don't care for sugar anymore, because they have died to that. We live for one thing only: Christ. If we don't then we're living in a situation in which God is being extremely merciful or is displeased or both. "Let him who has no sin cast the first stone" is a quote from Jesus. Its perfectly applicable here.

If I'm spending my days eating fat and sugary foods while posting on the internet by what sick interpretation of Christianity do I have any business worrying about gay rights laws? If I truly hate sin, then I will have died to myself. If I don't really hate sin and am pointing out faults, then I am hating people. This is obvious, because hating sin is hard but hating people is easy.

Unfortunately nowhere does all of this play out more openly then here in the USA and in my own state of Mississippi. We're busybodies, faultfinders, arrogant...all of the things we aren't supposed to be; and we pretend we hate sin. We're trying to improve.

[2Ti 2:3-4 NIV] 3 Join with me in suffering, like a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 4 No one serving as a soldier gets entangled in civilian affairs, but rather tries to please his commanding officer.

[Jde 1:18-19 NIV] 18 They said to you, "In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires." 19 These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.



[Eph 4:28 NIV] 28 Anyone who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with their own hands, that they may have something to share with those in need. [Phl 1:6 NIV] 6 being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

[Col 3:2 NIV] 2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. [Col 3:3 NIV] 3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.

[Col 3:5-8 NIV] 5 Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these, the wrath of God is coming. 7 You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. 8 But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.

...and look at this one talking about people who have time to grumble and find fault -> [Jde 1:16 NIV] 16 These people are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.
 
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Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Not the old, "Hate the sin, love the sinner" argument?
I'm not sure you would call it an argument. People who have children understand that we love our child even if we don't like or agree with what they are doing.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I'm not sure you would call it an argument. People who have children understand that we love our child even if we don't like or agree with what they are doing.

What if what they are doing is something positive and defines that child as who he or she is?

For example, if the child had a passion for art and drew a X related picture... to him its art but to others, it may be inappropriate. By turning down what that child drew and his passion for art and the human body (say if it's a sin), that's turning down that child. As he gets older, he internalizes that and realize his parents don't like him because they don't like or even accept his passion (and it's his parents).

If one can get beyond the taboo of sex, why would a parent say they love that child when the very thing that child is passionate about as art, the parent rejects?

@questfortruth
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
I'm not sure you would call it an argument. People who have children understand that we love our child even if we don't like or agree with what they are doing.
OK change it to
Hate mass murder but love the murderer
 
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