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Truth: either God exists or He don't.

Martin

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What difference does that make to the point of the thread? For that matter, what difference does that make, to you?

It makes a huge difference. The God of the Old Testament looks quite different to the New Testament God, for example. And the Abrahamic God would be quite different to a pantheistic God, or a "nature" God, or whatever.
 

stvdv

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ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
He didn't maam. Those things are a result of sin. However, as sure as He exists, soon this prophecy will be fulfilled:
(Revelation 21:3, 4) . . .I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”
(Isaiah 33:24) . . .And no resident will say: “I am sick.. . .

I am sure you look forward to that time.


And i am sure he does not exist, there is no evidence either way just as there is no evidence for pink unicorns.

And pray tell how an innocent child can be so sinful as to be struck down dead with leukaemia? Who sinned so badly that a mosquito evolved to kill 10% of all humanity?
 

PureX

Veteran Member
I am trying to get individuals to think about their responsibilities toward Him, if He does exist.
Why do you think we would have any responsibility to God, if God exists? Most human definitions and conceptions of God have God holding all the power, and all the control. So it stands to reason that God would shoulder all the responsibility, then.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
And i am sure he does not exist, there is no evidence either way just as there is no evidence for pink unicorns.

And pray tell how an innocent child can be so sinful as to be struck down dead with leukaemia? Who sinned so badly that a mosquito evolved to kill 10% of all humanity?
Adam and Eve sinned for them.

Should be the most unpopular couple, ever.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Why do you think we would have any responsibility to God, if God exists? Most human definitions and conceptions of God have God holding all the power, and all the control. So it stands to reason that God would shoulder all the responsibility, then.

As a rule, its our theists who need to be
"Gotten to think"
 

stvdv

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Yes, I know. But it could be that there is another God. Or, better, a goddess, right?
IMO:

That is the nice thing with belief. All can create their own image of their god. Recently I have been thinking that I would like to see a Goddess. I am going to try to make that belief come true. Usually on earth the females are less violent, maybe for world Peace it is needed to belief in a Goddess
 

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
Simple as this Israel:
(Joshua 24:15) . . .if it seems bad to you to serve Jehovah, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve, whether the gods that your forefathers served on the other side of the River or the gods of the Amʹor·ites in whose land you are dwelling. But as for me and my household, we will serve Jehovah.”

So then, as I predicted, you wont play the hypothetical game. So why did you ask others to play the hypothetical game in your OP if you aren't willing to do so yourself?
 

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
Is that a no-brainer?

Is one coincidental "hit" enough to say that the Bible is reliable?

Should we assume that someone who wom the lottery once is better at picking lottery numbers than everyone else?

I mean, if we go by the "justified true belief" idea of knowledge (which I recognize has its problems), the mere fact that a claim happens to be true doesn't necessarily mean it was justified, so it isn't necessarily knowledge.

Let me clarify. Since the OP is a JW, I am referring to the biblical God here. If the Biblical God is true then everything in the Bible is true. If only 90% of what the Bible says about God is true, then the true God is no longer the Biblical God IMO.

I agree with you that just because someone gets it right that there is a True God, does not mean that everything else they claim about that God is true.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Let me clarify. Since the OP is a JW, I am referring to the biblical God here. If the Biblical God is true then everything in the Bible is true.

If only 90% of what the Bible says about God is true, then the true God is no longer the Biblical God IMO.
The Bible doesn't just describe God; it also describes:

- what God has done,
- what God will do in the future,
- other characters besides God,
- what those other characters have done,
- what those other characters will do in the future.

Getting any part of those right doesn't automatically mean that they got any other part right.

The way that we might establish that the Bible - or rather, @capumetu 's particular interpretation of the JW translation of the Bible - as reliable would be through justification.

As the saying goes, a stopped clock is right twice a day. Sometimes, unjustified guesses end up being coincidentally correct. But the fact that someone made a coincidentally correct guess doesn't mean that you ought to follow their advice for anything else.

The OP asked us to consider the possibility that (his particular version of) God is real. By itself, that has no bearing on whether someone ought to follow his religion. Unless that religion is justified, it would be unreliable and worthless whether or not it was right about God.

I agree with you that just because someone gets it right that there is a True God, does not mean that everything else they claim about that God is true.
That wasn't my point, but I appreciate the effort.
 

stvdv

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they intend to mock theism and get some pleasure out of it.
I hope it is not true what you say here, that would be a very negative attitude (getting pleasure mocking something the other is really serious about)

* Could it not be, that, because these big questions are still unresolved, they genuinely like to know the answer, but theists so far failed to explain it to them, in a way that made sense to them?

* Could it not be, that the mocking is not to get pleasure out of the mocking, but because theists in the past belittled their feelings by imposing their opinions as fact onto them?
 

stvdv

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I agree with you that just because someone gets it right that there is a True God, does not mean that everything else they claim about that God is true.
I like this one. Never go easy on claims others make about God, and therefore impose them on you, unless they give you proper proof

Let me clarify. Since the OP is a JW, I am referring to the biblical God here. If the Biblical God is true then everything in the Bible is true. If only 90% of what the Bible says about God is true, then the true God is no longer the Biblical God IMO.
For myself it makes no sense that "If the Biblical God is true then everything in the Bible is true". But you talk about JW specifically here, so I guess that JW believe that "If the Biblical God is true then everything in the Bible is true"

And for me if "90% of what the Bible says about God is true, then the true God can still be the God spoken of in the Bible". But again, because you speak about JW specifically here, I guess that the JW believe in this way.
 
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Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
But! What if He does?
And what if he doesn't? Billions of heartfelt prayers, every single day, all totally useless.

(But then, one must notice, that all those prayers don't seem to change anything anyway -- the cancers don't disappear, the abducted kids don't come home, the bank forecloses on the house, the hubby continues his affair. So really, pretty much all of the time, appearances seem to say, "nope, doesn't exist.")
 
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