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Truth: either God exists or He don't.

capumetu

Active Member
What if Jesus really was in that spaceship, hiding behind the Hale-Bop Comet, awaiting our suicide, so he could take us with him to the promised land?

That's the thing about the "what if's"; there's really no end to the possibilities that can be asserted. So where is the discernment? Where do we stop speculating, and find another course of reasoning that's closer to probability?

What do you think?

I fail to see the comparison
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
All very good questions maam, you wonder why God allows suffering. When Adam and Eve chose to be their own god, God allowed them to do so. I think He handled it very wisely, as you yourself recognize that they and their progeny have done a very poor job. He however will let us go to the point of extinction and then step in Mat 24:22, so there will be no doubt that we need Him as our God.

Can you think of a better way to have handled the situation that He chose?

In your opinion

Better way, yes, not have invented unnecessary suffering, not have invented childhood leukaemia, not have invented anopheles mosquitoes, not have invented the marmot (that one wants thinking about). I could go on but i don't want to break forum rules
 

capumetu

Active Member
I agree with Rival.

The OP is asking the implications of the assumption that God exists. Some people believe that God is only Love. Some people believe that God is more than Love.

If a person believes that God is only Love then their reaction to the assumption that this God exists will be different than a person who believes that God is more than Love.

For example, if a person believes that God is only Love, and they assume this God exists, then this person may believe that the feeling of Love is the divine ordained purpose of life. The person seeks love and exherts their love on others. This would be a different reaction than someone who believes God is more than Love and assumes that this God exists. The reaction in this case would be more balanced and seeking the feeling of emotional love would be less likely to be the dominant motivation in their lives.

The intent of the post was to get people to think of their responsibility toward Him if He does exist, and what they might be missing out on.
 

capumetu

Active Member
It would mean that there is a Creator.

And that there are "wheat", growing with the "tares".

Antimatter particles share the same mass as their matter counterparts, but qualities such as electric charge are opposite. The positively charged positron, for example, is the antiparticle to the negatively charged electron.

Matter and antimatter particles are always produced as a pair and, if they come in contact, annihilate one another, leaving behind pure energy. During the first fractions of a second of the Big Bang, the hot and dense universe was buzzing with particle-antiparticle pairs popping in and out of existence. If matter and antimatter are created and destroyed together, it seems the universe should contain nothing but leftover energy.

Some unknown entity intervening in this process in the early universe could have caused these "oscillating" particles to decay as matter more often than they decayed as antimatter.
The matter-antimatter asymmetry problem | CERN

How would the Atheist deal with his annihilation?

Because if God does exist, He is quoted as saying that "the soul that sinneth, it shall surely die.

The real question isn't does God exist, it's that do we have to do what He tells us to?

The answer appears to be no.

"Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”​



The intent of the post Dave was to get people to think about their responsibility towards God if He does exist.
 

capumetu

Active Member
For this, you will get several types of answers to watch for.

1. Spaghetti monster, tea cup, or something similar.
2. Zeus, Superman, Thor. Which one?
3. But! What if he doesn't.

These people are not here to have any decent discussion. They will use the same rhetoric everyday, and they intend to mock theism and get some pleasure out of it. ;)

Cheers.

True, but the great thing about this site is people from all over the world see it. I am new, no doubt new ones regularly appear here.
 

capumetu

Active Member
What if Azathoth exists? Huh?!

Simple as this Israel:
(Joshua 24:15) . . .if it seems bad to you to serve Jehovah, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve, whether the gods that your forefathers served on the other side of the River or the gods of the Amʹor·ites in whose land you are dwelling. But as for me and my household, we will serve Jehovah.”
 

capumetu

Active Member
While we're stating true things:

Truth: In order to be considered proper use of the English language, the last word of this thread's title should be "doesn't"

There now, the truth is out. Where does this get us? In your case, your statement of truth is obvious. In my case, my statement hopefully taught you something. It appears that I have one-upped you.

I agree sir, thanks for your assistance, and pardon my ignorance.
 

capumetu

Active Member
I've never been able to find out what real thing (thing not entirely conceptual / imaginary) the word "God" is intended to denote.

So what if WHAT, exactly, exists?

God is a deity sir, a supreme being. I am referring to the God Jehovah with my posts. Either He does or doesn't exist. But if He does exist, should we examine Him further?
 

capumetu

Active Member
In your opinion

Better way, yes, not have invented unnecessary suffering, not have invented childhood leukaemia, not have invented anopheles mosquitoes, not have invented the marmot (that one wants thinking about). I could go on but i don't want to break forum rules

He didn't maam. Those things are a result of sin. However, as sure as He exists, soon this prophecy will be fulfilled:
(Revelation 21:3, 4) . . .I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”
(Isaiah 33:24) . . .And no resident will say: “I am sick.. . .

I am sure you look forward to that time.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Well there isn't anything to discuss. If God does exist, and the biblical God from what I am assuming the OP is referring to, then obviously things would play out the same as how the bible says it would. No brainer. Therefore it isn't a constructive question.
Is that a no-brainer?

Is one coincidental "hit" enough to say that the Bible is reliable?

Should we assume that someone who wom the lottery once is better at picking lottery numbers than everyone else?

I mean, if we go by the "justified true belief" idea of knowledge (which I recognize has its problems), the mere fact that a claim happens to be true doesn't necessarily mean it was justified, so it isn't necessarily knowledge.
 

Baroodi

Active Member
The cell is the living unit of an organism. Then the nucleus, packed with genetic material that dictate all characters of that organism is the beating heart of the cell. how this genius nucleus was made and packed within its membrane and within a cell with the advent of first human being into this universe?
 
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