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Quran, Harry Potter, and Lord of the rings. Same?

firedragon

firedragon

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Mock Turtle said:
Well we all know that the fiction was fiction and people know it as such, so there is an obvious difference. I don't know about Adam or Noah - could well be historical figures - but they perhaps have a place in history as we might view the film Braveheart (many alterations of fact) or Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet (age of Juliet lowered for whatever reasons from where the tale was borrowed from), as being embellished for a purpose - whatever that might be. Nothing against myths if we know they are such, like the fiction being recognised as fiction.
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I agree.
 
Heyo

Heyo

Veteran Member
Audie said:
The big significant events in the Bible
are things that could not have happened,
giving an added level of unreality.
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The early events in the bible (Genesis, Noah) could not have happened in any interpretation, but everything from the first appearance of the tribe of Israel in the Levant is to some extend historical (with much embroidering). David was probably a historical figure.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Heyo said:
The early events in the bible (Genesis, Noah) could not have happened in any interpretation, but everything from the first appearance of the tribe of Israel in the Levant is to some extend historical (with much embroidering). David was probably a historical figure.
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Of course
 
sun rise

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
firedragon said:
1. Why do you think Harry Potter is or can be anyones "religious scripture"?
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We have a Jedi religion now. People can do anything.

9-10ths_Penguin said:
Today, though? The idea of a global flood has been so thorough debunked that only someone seriously uninformed or a wilful fool would believe that it happened.
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There are flood stories around the world. Those who don't believe there was a flood need to account for the wide variety of such stories in cultures which have no historical contact with each other. List of flood myths - Wikipedia
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
sun rise said:
We have a Jedi religion now. People can do anything.



There are flood stories around the world. Those who don't believe there was a flood need to account for the wide variety of such stories in cultures which have no historical contact with each other. List of flood myths - Wikipedia
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Really now.
Those who don't believe in dragons
must also so account?

Try this- you are in court accused of
Killing whoever in the parlor with an ashtray.

Fine. You patiently wait while prosecution
gives one account after another, piles the
evidence thick and deep.

Finally..
Your turn.
You present the copy of London
Times showing you were having tea
with the queen that day, 10,000
miles from the murder scene.

Kinds cancels everything the prosecution may say, no?
You DO NOT have to account for the mustard stain on the curtain!

"Flood" being as it is, far more thoroughly
disproved than in said trial, why exactly does
anyone have to account for various and very
dissimilar flood cstories?

Or mermaid stories.
 
sun rise

sun rise

The world is on fire
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9-10ths_Penguin said:
By "account for," do you mean something other than "recognize that bad floods happen occasionally pretty much everywhere?"
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No.

The typical answer to "there was a flood" is "there was no flood". A valid answer is that floods happened in many places and became part of mythology but I seldom if ever read that explanation. Too often debates are "there was a flood because the Bible tells me so" versus "there was no flood and the Bible is false".

Bonneville flood - Wikipedia and Black Sea deluge hypothesis - Wikipedia are two possibilities for local floods that are remembered as myths.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
sun rise said:
No.

The typical answer to "there was a flood" is "there was no flood". A valid answer is that floods happened in many places and became part of mythology but I seldom if ever read that explanation. Too often debates are "there was a flood because the Bible tells me so" versus "there was no flood and the Bible is false".

Bonneville flood - Wikipedia and Black Sea deluge hypothesis - Wikipedia are two possibilities for local floods that are remembered as myths.
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Like anyone denies that there have been lots of
floods, or that is anything better than just being
tiresome to mention that floods happen.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
sun rise said:
No.

The typical answer to "there was a flood" is "there was no flood". A valid answer is that floods happened in many places and became part of mythology but I seldom if ever read that explanation.
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Well, now you have.

I don't really see this as something that needs a deep explanation.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
firedragon said:
True. If there is no evidence, you cannot dismiss any option. It could be fiction, it could have been a historical figure as well.
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So then Noah is similar to Harry Potter.

I mean, I don't really have any evidence that Harry Potter doesn't exist either. "You can't prove a negative" and all that.
 
SomeRandom

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Mock Turtle said:
But Potter is surely aimed at kids even if many of us find some of it entertaining - just a bit too drawn out in the last sections though (films).
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The Potter series at first aimed at kids. But it’s goal was to grow up alongside the initial audience. The last couple might be a bit much for some kids. Depending on the kid.
The films are fine. The last books are chunkers though
 
Q

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
firedragon said:
There was an interesting point raised that all three are the same as in scripture, and that all three are fiction. It is a fascinating subject to address I believe, thus anyone who thinks this and claims this,

1. Why do you think Harry Potter is or can be anyones "religious scripture"?
2. What evidence do you have that Adam and Noah were fiction?

The claimant has the burden of proof, thus rather than committing the burden of proof fallacy, I would like to hear the mythicists argument on this.
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I think it would be more accurate to say that there's exactly as much evidence that the bible is non-fiction as there is evidence that Harry Potter and LOTR are non-fiction.
 
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