is the Abrahamic God, the real God?

[Spirit of Light]

Is the Abrahamic God, the real God?

But if it is true, then which of Abrahams religions is the truth?

Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Baha'is all have different laws they believe God wants them to follow.

So since the different abrahamic religions have different rules, how is one to know which rules are correct? How is one to know what rules are God's commandments and not?

Even as a muslim i would not claim to Know if Allah is truly the only God out there.

Thereby i can not claim islam to be the only true religious teaching

 

[Heyo]

Is the Abrahamic God, the real God?

@Sunstone answered that best.

But if it is true, then which of Abrahams religions is the truth?

Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Baha'is all have different laws they believe God wants them to follow.

So since the different abrahamic religions have different rules, how is one to know which rules are correct? How is one to know what rules are God's commandments and not?

You can't and your co-believers aren't interested in that question. Nobody in the Abrahamic religions is going to help you with that question.
How do I know?
Just look at them. Is there any effort to reconcile the hundred thousand sects of Abrahamism? The only thing that happens from time to time is that someone comes and says how beautiful it would be to be united - and founds just another sect. (Whose members will eventually go to war with the rest of the mishpokhe.)

 

[stvdv]

Is the Abrahamic God, the real God?

Can be easily solved ... pray to just "God". Don't add all kind of mentally fantasized attributes by others (or yourself) to Him

 

[stvdv]

Is the Abrahamic God, the real God?

People who see different Gods, forget that the main word is GOD

All the other words describe just the attributes, that the people created

Knowing that people make mistakes, don't impose these mistakes on God

 

[ChristineM]

For Abrahamics, absolutely, as that's their belief. Who else could be their 'real'
God?

Outside of the Abrahamic paradigm, no God is real, it's just belief, which is fine.

Which makes Abrahamics around 99.9996 % atheist?

 

[ChristineM]

Is the Abrahamic God, the real God?

But if it is true, then which of Abrahams religions is the truth?

Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Baha'is all have different laws they believe God wants them to follow.

So since the different abrahamic religions have different rules, how is one to know which rules are correct? How is one to know what rules are God's commandments and not?

As an atheist i would say no gods are real. However, to the believer the god(s) they believe are as real as the imagination can get.

 

[ChristineM]

Is Superman the real superhero?

Ciao

- viole

Not the first but the real superhero to his devotees

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If you want your questions answered by people, how do you know which answers are reliable and which ones not?

I believe God gives people a sense of reality that reflects the contents of their own heart.

In my view, which one of these four religions is the most truthful depends on the spirit of its followers, and especially those who have the authority to impose or cancel laws, traditions and/or dogmas. Just like people themselves these things can change over time and can also differ per location, as people from different locations can develop diverging cultures, even though it comes from the same source.

Is it possible to follow a religion and consider without depending on the followers (and answers on RF) to confirm it?

 

[Hawkins]

Is the Abrahamic God, the real God?

But if it is true, then which of Abrahams religions is the truth?

Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Baha'is all have different laws they believe God wants them to follow.

So since the different abrahamic religions have different rules, how is one to know which rules are correct? How is one to know what rules are God's commandments and not?

It is all about how a truth shall convey to humans.

If aliens are true and they are far more advanced however decided to hide from humans, then how do you know that aliens are true?

The one and only way is through those who happened to have encountered the aliens, there's no other way round. The nature of a historical encounter on the other hand is that, mostly likely you need faith to believe or reject.

The Bible is written on behalf of those who claimed to have encountered God. There are tens of them in the different period of time of history all portraying a God with the same set of characteristics. These eyewitnesses are called the prophets for a reason. Humans don't have the ability to tell a future. These eyewitnesses are reckoned by the Jews (God's chosen people) as from God because they have the ability to tell a future.

So the nature of such a truth is that, 1) you need faith in order to reach, and 2) it can only be from encounterers, there's no other way round.

 

[Gargovic Malkav]

Is it possible to follow a religion and consider without depending on the followers (and answers on RF) to confirm it?

I believe so.

Abraham didn't rely on followers of a religion in order to find the One he calls God.
Later he was also blessed by Melchizedek, who was described as a priest of the Most High God.
Melchizedek wasn't part of Abraham's tribe/followers, and yet they seemed to acknowledge each other's piousness instead of trying to discredit it.

This is based on scriptural narratives though, so it may not mean as much to you as it means to me.

 

[Quintessence]

Is it possible to follow a religion and consider without depending on the followers (and answers on RF) to confirm it?

Of course it is. Non-dogmatic, non-creedal religions, and especially mystery religions that are fundamentally experiential, work this way as a matter of course. Even in the absence of that, any human can think for themselves and make up their own minds about anything. When doing that, they will never escape the influence of their environment (including the culture of their upbringing) so in that sense there is always dependence (whether following a religion or not) but beyond that? Seeking external validation is not, strictly speaking, necessary for anything in life that is a personal affair.

 

[1213]

...So since the different abrahamic religions have different rules, how is one to know which rules are correct? How is one to know what rules are God's commandments and not?

I think it is wrong to claim there is many Abrahams religions. If Christians are disciples of Jesus and follow his teachings, the law is the same as God of Abraham has, because:

Don't think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn't come to destroy, but to fulfill. For most assuredly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished. Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Mat. 5:17-19

And interestingly, Quran says:

… The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah …. …believe in Allah and His messengers. …
Surat An-Nisā' 4:171
Surah An-Nisa - 4:171

But, probably you can’t know. I have chosen to believe Jesus, because I think his message is good and right and also the same as in OT.

 

[nPeace]

I was a very devout Catholic for a few years. I made the decision to convert when I was 16 and went through the process of RCIA and was baptized and confirmed at Easter Vigil 2007. I was a member of my Diocesan Youth Council, went to the National Catholic Youth Conference, went on a mission trip and almost joined a religious order. So I did believe strongly in the Christian god at one point.

But I've come to the conclusion that the Christian god is a spiritual parasite of sorts. Especially in Western Christianity (Catholicism and its nasty Protestant offshoots). This entity obviously (from experience) seems to love human suffering, especially through guilt and shame. I ended up torturing myself spiritually and psychologically the more I tried to draw closer to this being. I hated my questions I had, my sexual aspects, books, films and music I loved (and myself for loving them). It crippled me. But I came to a point where I realized I didn't need this entity to protect me from anything. I could protect myself from malevolent spirits. What this entity wanted from me was unquestioned love above anything and everyone in my life. I tried to go along with that but ended up rejecting Jesus' teachings as inane and unrealistic. Psychologically harmful.

So I reconnected with my more rebellious, Left-Hand Path side. I looked into more LHP currents of Hinduism, for example. That keep leading me back to the Indian Goddess, Kali. This was around when my mom was dying of pancreatic cancer and I had to go through it by myself with no family or friends to help me. But I had experiences with Kali that showed me that she was there and, instead of a simplistic notion of "love", it was understanding and liberation she gave me. There was no notion of "sin" or repentance...just mindfulness and a feeling of connection to the vast Cosmos.

During that time, no one from church helped me and I was actually turned away when I wanted to take Communion with my mom (which would've been the last time before she died). So Christ's followers weren't with me then.

Anyway, to cut things short, I read a lot about the Islamic view of God and a friend introduced me to the Jewish view of God. What I got from that is that they have views that are very similar to the Hindu view of Brahman being the Ultimate Reality, rather than an anthropomorphic deity that has human-like needs for love and places all these moralistic demands on us.

I eventually gravitated towards Germanic polytheism and my LHP beliefs but I still retain a belief in a Supreme Being/Ultimate Reality that is akin to my views of Kali. I find that Odin is very similar and just as intense as Kali is. He is not moralistic and it's more about being in harmony with the universal fabric of things, than following a bunch of arbitrary rules.

Interesting read. Thanks for sharing.
Can I trouble you with a few questions?

1. You determined that the Christian God is the way you concluded, based on one group! Is that not the same as someone joining Jim Jones' movement, and coming away with the conclusion that believing in and following Jesus is evil?

2. Is it possible that wanting to do the things you like takes president over what someone in authority may require of you... so that you would prefer someone - anyone - who accepts the things you like?
Sort of like... I like to grow my hair long. I like to wear skirts that barely cover my buttocks... So if Jack does not like that, then 'Bye Jack. Go suck a lemon."?

3. I have no doubt that Kali is indeed a real demon, but what makes you believe that Kali has anyone's best interest at heart? Why choose 'her' over the real Christian God Jehovah, who for many - have their best interest at heart?
What's difference do you see between the two?

4. "No one from church helped", is a common expression, among many. however, don't we hear things like that in other organizations?
For example, we may hear a person say, "No one in Business X helped, so I switched to Business Y, and the experience was amazing! Not only were they always looking to help, but they went further!"
The person did not write off all businesses of that particular system. So why do you think the experience at one "Christian church", is good cause to write off all?

Can you give an example of at least three out of "a bunch of arbitrary rules" you refered to... if you don't mind?

 

[firedragon]

Is the Abrahamic God, the real God?

But if it is true, then which of Abrahams religions is the truth?

Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Baha'is all have different laws they believe God wants them to follow.

So since the different abrahamic religions have different rules, how is one to know which rules are correct? How is one to know what rules are God's commandments and not?

1. Take their respective scriptures, and read them.
2. Find out if the books go back to the source. (Source being the person who is claimed to be the prophet)
3. Find out which book has manuscripts that go to the source or closest to the source (again, the prophet)
4. Understand that these books are supposed to be scripture, thus respect them and analyse them for their internal coherence. Discrepancies would say "no no".
5. Go to the source.

Cheers.

 

[Jainarayan]

Is the Abrahamic God, the real God?

For Abrahamics he is. For me as a Hindu, just as Vishnu is my view of God, the Abrahamic God is another facet or view of "God". As far as I'm concerned there is only one God, seen in a multitude of ways. Or I daresay he's another deity if one is inclined towards polytheism. And while I believe he exists, if he is indeed God, he's not one of the deities that exist whom I worship. The way one wishes to see God, so he appears (paraphrasing Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa).

But if it is true, then which of Abrahams religions is the truth?

Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Baha'is all have different laws they believe God wants them to follow.

So since the different abrahamic religions have different rules, how is one to know which rules are correct? How is one to know what rules are God's commandments and not?

That's the dilemma one runs into when scriptures claim to be, or are believed to be the absolute truth, with no room for others or other interpretations. Hinduism, for example, doesn't insist that only one scripture is the only truth or supreme. Why? Because we understand that we can't possibly know or comprehend the entire Truth, nor can it be encapsulated into one book. These books speak to different peoples at different times and in different places for different purposes.

 

[Trailblazer]

But Jesus told her that God would soon have the true worshipers to worship in a different way. Being filled with the Spirit of God and truth. They literally are made the temple of God.

So how to tell which religion is true? Pay attention to what Jesus actually taught. He taught about the holy Spirit and how people need to receive it.

Jesus was addressing His followers, because they were the only ones He could address since they were the only ones there. Then after Jesus, Muhammad and Baha'u'llah appeared and established new religions.

Muslims and Baha'is believe in the same God as Christians believe in and we also believe in Jesus.
So why would only Christians be filled with the Holy Spirit?

 

[Trailblazer]

Find out which book has manuscripts that go to the source or closest to the source (again, the prophet)

Of all the Abrahamic religions, the scriptures of the Baha'i Faith are closest to the Source, since Baha'u'llah was the only Prophet who penned scriptures in His own hand, so if that is the criteria one is using to decide which Abrahamic religion is the truth, then you can do the math.

However, as you probably know, Baha'is do say we have the only true religion, just because we have the only authentic scriptures.

 

[Trailblazer]

Even as a muslim i would not claim to Know if Allah is truly the only God out there.

Thereby i can not claim islam to be the only true religious teaching

But doesn't Islam teach that there is only one true God?

 

[74x12]

Jesus was addressing His followers, because they were the only ones He could address since they were the only ones there. Then after Jesus, Muhammad and Baha'u'llah appeared and established new religions.

Muslims and Baha'is believe in the same God as Christians believe in and we also believe in Jesus.
Why would only Christians be filled with the Holy Spirit?

The scripture says the full soul loathes the honeycomb but to the hungry soul every bitter thing is sweet. (Proverbs 27:7)

Those who are already full of their own food/drink won't seek to be filled by the bread and drink of Jesus Christ. Because they have no desire. But it doesn't have to be that way for anyone. (Matthew 5:6) However, this is why it's so hard for religious people to be filled with the Spirit. But they can be by the grace and power of God.

Even many "Christians" are not filled with the holy Spirit. God doesn't care who you are or where you come from.

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. (Rev 22:17)

 

[night912]

Is Superman the real superhero?

Ciao

- viole

Not the one from the alternate reality from Injustice.