Doctors wrongly declared baby stillborn and put her in freezer while still alive

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Fellow believers, this is the kind of story that troubles me greatly... It seems like the kind of situation that takes place where strict rules and strict punishment cause enough fear, that a doctor would take the life of a child just to prevent the harsh punishment of malpractice... I'm not saying for sure that it was a fear of malpractice that caused these doctors to leave this baby in the freezer, but I can sure see how that could play a part in decision-making if we're to give them any credit as human beings.

How can a society be made then, where encouragement to do the right thing takes primacy over fear of judgement by the law?

...Not sure if that makes much sense, but I hope you can all see where I'm going with this... So I ask fellow believers for your take on this tragedy:

Doctors wrongly declared baby stillborn and put her in freezer while still alive | News Break

 

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One of the doctors was heard to say "may God forgive us"...

...Horrible.

Doctors wrongly declared baby stillborn and put her in freezer while still alive

 

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I know that @adrian009 is a medical professional, and @Rival is in management, so it would be interesting to hear their responses.

...Also, is the Kazakhstani government's court system known to be fair..? I can't say I've ever heard much in the news about that country, in fact, all I know is that it's very large and situated near Russia, which we all know is super-corrupt.

...And if it's anything like Russia, then I could see how fear of malpractice could be something very, very fearsome, as punishment in Russia often seems over the top -- and so that's where the 'primacy over doing the right thing' part might be worthy of a discussion here amongst the faithful.

 

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Its tabloid press reporting in regards events in a backwater country so I'd be wary about taking the article at face value. That being said, I'm pro-life and believe in performing my duties to the best of my abilities. There's no place for the disturbing events reported in my profession or in my country.

 

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Its tabloid press reporting in regards events in a backwater country so I'd be wary about taking the article at face value. That being said, I'm pro-life and believe in performing my duties to the best of my abilities. There's no place for the disturbing events reported in my profession or in my country.

Not sure if this site's any more reliable... I've never heard of it before.

医生把还在动的婴儿放进陈尸房冻死，称“此前已经被认定为死胎”

 

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Doctors wrongly declared baby stillborn and put her in freezer while still alive | News Break

That was quite some mistake I would say. The legs were moving but the database said the baby was 'stillborn'
My question is "why would they have done this?", did they think the baby was a devil that needed to be killed?

Good lesson to not trust computer data blindly. People rely too much on data, and not on common sense

One of the doctors was heard to say "may God forgive us" during a secretly-recorded phone call in which the medics discussed the case.

Prosecutors argued this amounted to proof their actions were premeditated and they “knew what was at stake”.

The baby had shown signs of life despite being registered as 'stillborn'.

Yet the medical team at Atyrau regional perinatal centre failed to save the boy even though experts concluded the could have lived.

Head physician Kuanysh Nysanbaev ordered that the baby should be put in the morgue’s cold storage for the deceased - even though he knew the child’s leg had moved.

 

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That was quite a stupid mistake I would say. The legs were moving but the database said the baby was 'stillborn'
My question is "why would they have done this?", did they think the baby was a devil that needed to be killed?

Good lesson to not trust computer data blindly. People rely too much on data, and not on common sense

I think it's because they had already declared the baby dead, and then to admit they were wrong would show incompetence on their part, which may have negatively impacted their careers.

This is what I'm getting at in the OP..! Strict rules and judgements embedded into the system that make moral judgement calls *not worth it*.

...I would like to see a world where punishment and retribution don't overpower positive moral judgment, even in places like Russia and Kazakhstan. I would like to discuss how we can tackle that together, as believers in the world.

 

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I don't know if anyone here has seen the miniseries Chernobyl, but it was the exact same kind of scenario, where people were afraid of the truth, so they tried to cover it up because human error is often punishable in many countries, even without intent!

...This is a huge problem that we ought to unite against, as it causes much harm in the world.

 

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Its tabloid press reporting in regards events in a backwater country so I'd be wary about taking the article at face value. That being said, I'm pro-life and believe in performing my duties to the best of my abilities. There's no place for the disturbing events reported in my profession or in my country.

I guess you could say "corruption" is the problem... I see it as a serious moral problem, when considering Chernobyl.

Is corruption essentially the "fruit" of excessively harsh, unbalanced punishment in governance? If so, can it bleed into the more capitalist, private sectors as well? Can it be recognized coherently and addressed?

 

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Hey @Quiddity, I notice you stopped by... Have you ever noticed that liberalism, as an ideology, has some positive effect on the likelihood of corruption? I don't know, I'm just kind of grasping at straws with this, seeing so much corruption in places to the East, like Russia and Kazakhstan.

 

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Hey @Quiddity, I notice you stopped by... Have you ever noticed that liberalism, as an ideology, has some positive effect on the likelihood of corruption? I don't know, I'm just kind of grasping at straws with this, seeing so much corruption in places to the East, like Russia and Kazakhstan.

The first thing that comes to mind is that it tends to be an inhibitor to authoritarianism and all its equivalents. It can also snuff out crappy arguments because everyone has a voice to say something no matter how dumb. But there is also a dark side to it.

 

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I know that @adrian009 is a medical professional, and @Rival is in management, so it would be interesting to hear their responses.

...Also, is the Kazakhstani government's court system known to be fair..? I can't say I've ever heard much in the news about that country, in fact, all I know is that it's very large and situated near Russia, which we all know is super-corrupt.

...And if it's anything like Russia, then I could see how fear of malpractice could be something very, very fearsome, as punishment in Russia often seems over the top -- and so that's where the 'primacy over doing the right thing' part might be worthy of a discussion here amongst the faithful.

I'm just a teaching assistant

And um, Eurasia is not known for it's wonderfulness, no.

 

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I'm just a teaching assistant

And um, Eurasia is not known for it's wonderfulness, no.

Yeah... It's just that corruption seems so morally wrong, I can't resist trying to get to the root of it.

...But G-d bless teaching assistants. That's a very respectable position, IMO.