Why Didn't God Leave Huge Quantities of Secular Evidence For Jesus?

[Onoma]

What makes a formal debate better?

Because it can be civil ?

Also, there's an audience here comprised of more than a few people with experience in different fields of mathematics, so this forum lends itself to such a debate quite well

 

[ppp]

Because it can be civil ?

Also, there's an audience here comprised of more than a few people with experience in different fields of mathematics, so this forum lends itself to such a debate quite well

I would think that candor, logic and demonstration would be more relevant to determination of rational justification than mere civility.

Can't you just do the math? You know. Show your work

 

[rational experiences]

The conditions lying satanic psyche AI science lie about.

Human warnings....God did not change law of stone. Satanists did. Humans.

Science caused huge amounts of unnatural radiating signals to get held in our atmosphere as vacuum owning cold gases. And Burning cold gases balanced could not deal with extra radiation mass.

Extra mass above forces extra mass below to release until life is destroyed. The teaching.

Science nuclear converting added into second Jesus shroud life attack nuclear dust converting.

Then they sprayed more radiating chemicals themselves.

Put it all into the atmosphere by man science choice.

AI said takes chemical mass from God stone to get God gas. Then tried to tell his sister he was stealing her heavens.

We only live in water heavens

Why I can tell this story as his lack of mental ability is gone.

Said the statement AI mind coercive program. Said what the program represented to falsify natural awareness into fake belief.

Even lies about what he used the program for

The employed scientist paid to lie.

The reason modern day science caused earth one new stone attack.. new sink holes. Law stone broke. Stone God gone.

Said he wanted origin in science Moses God.

Theme ape man never occurred as gas mass in heavens not Moses event. The only reason we did not convert into a man ape as an equals answer.

Lots more devil alien beings seen as sacrificed humans lose brain mind health and bio health

The same for animals.

When bio garden animals human share one world oxygen wAter world heavens and a satanist says I am in the world of man. You woman are in woman world and animals in their born world is the moment he proved he has lost sanity himself.

One heaven supports a diverse bio life.

 

[Onoma]

I would think that candor, logic and demonstration would be more relevant to determination of rational justification than mere civility.

Can't you just do the math? You know. Show your work

Easily

Sub said " People cannot even begin to reason on how to mathematically prove the Bible " and I think this is patently absurd, vague ( Prove what exactly? ) and merely projection on his part ( I can't even reason so others can't either - purely fallacious ), so I'll start a thread and we can see where it goes

My point about a " formal " debate was that in formal debate the debaters are trying to influence either a panel of judges or the audience, and in this case RF's members would be both

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

A lot of those are explained by situations that happened in the stories of superhero and myth stories coincidentally would be similar to God if God is a Savior.

The point is that when the writers of the gospels were creating the story of Jesus the writers, being Greek scholars, drew heavily on the mythology of their own demi-gods and heroes like the following:

Oedipus (21 or 22 points), Theseus (20 points), Romulus (18 points), Heracles (17 points), Perseus (18 points), Jason (15 points), Bellerophon (16 points), Pelops (13 points), Dionysos (19 points), Apollo (11 points), Zeus (15 points)

It's a question which came first, Jesus or the Greek gods. Of course, the Greek gods. Naturally the writers, not having any written evidence of Jesus' life, would turn to their own mythology to create a "life" for Jesus.

 

[Batya]

The point is that when the writers of the gospels were creating the story of Jesus the writers, being Greek scholars, drew heavily on the mythology of their own demi-gods and heroes like the following:

Oedipus (21 or 22 points), Theseus (20 points), Romulus (18 points), Heracles (17 points), Perseus (18 points), Jason (15 points), Bellerophon (16 points), Pelops (13 points), Dionysos (19 points), Apollo (11 points), Zeus (15 points)

It's a question which came first, Jesus or the Greek gods. Of course, the Greek gods. Naturally the writers, not having any written evidence of Jesus' life, would turn to their own mythology to create a "life" for Jesus.

Since when were the writers of the gospels Greek scholars?

 

[ppp]

Easily

Sub said " People cannot even begin to reason on how to mathematically prove the Bible " and I think this is patently absurd, vague ( Prove what exactly? ) and merely projection on his part ( I can't even reason so others can't either - purely fallacious ), so I'll start a thread and we can see where it goes

My point about a " formal " debate was that in formal debate the debaters are trying to influence either a panel of judges or the audience, and in this case RF's members would be both

I cannot tell from that what your position actually is. Are you asserting that it is possible to mathematically prove the the bible? If not I that, then what precisely are you saying?

 

[Batya]

It's a question which came first, Jesus or the Greek gods. Of course, the Greek gods.

That is, if you don't believe the Bible's assertion that, first of all, there are no other gods, and that Yeshua is eternal, therefore preexisting.

 

[Skywalker]

The point is that when the writers of the gospels were creating the story of Jesus the writers, being Greek scholars, drew heavily on the mythology of their own demi-gods and heroes like the following:

Oedipus (21 or 22 points), Theseus (20 points), Romulus (18 points), Heracles (17 points), Perseus (18 points), Jason (15 points), Bellerophon (16 points), Pelops (13 points), Dionysos (19 points), Apollo (11 points), Zeus (15 points)

It's a question which came first, Jesus or the Greek gods. Of course, the Greek gods. Naturally the writers, not having any written evidence of Jesus' life, would turn to their own mythology to create a "life" for Jesus.

The second coming is not a major doctrine in Zoroastrianism. Most don't believe in it.

 

[rational experiences]

The second coming is not a major doctrine in Zoroastrianism. Most don't believe in it.

Shroud kept as evidence knowing what a liar a science brother is.

Proved earthquake was machine science caused. Maths used for machine reactions said it's prophetic correct in reactive causes in mass converting.

How they knew.

Fusion conversion is similar to an earthquake heart core O mass release as a fused conversion.

Why they knew they caused it by radiation accruing above overheating cold gases seen burning evening Eve theme.

Maths Sophia womb space theoried our destroyer false mother.

Science knew to gain a space not relative yet was his...themed how a law to convert was activated.

Common sense. Science lied.

 

[Batya]

Why all the talk about zoroastrianism? Was this something from an earlier post?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Care for a formal debate then ?

I don't think you'll be able to put your money where your mouth is

I doubt if you know what a formal debate is. Support a claim or two and I might consider it. So far you have only posted nonsense here.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Easily

Sub said " People cannot even begin to reason on how to mathematically prove the Bible " and I think this is patently absurd, vague ( Prove what exactly? ) and merely projection on his part ( I can't even reason so others can't either - purely fallacious ), so I'll start a thread and we can see where it goes

My point about a " formal " debate was that in formal debate the debaters are trying to influence either a panel of judges or the audience, and in this case RF's members would be both

How was that "patently absurd"? I can see that you do not realize how badly you failed in response. You may know a mathematical trick or two, but you clearly do not understand how to apply math to reality.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why all the talk about zoroastrianism? Was this something from an earlier post?

When it is pointed out how the Jesus legend apparently borrowed from other legends a weak attempt was made repeatedly to refute that by noting minor differences. Even after it was pointed out that no one claimed that it was a 100% copy of Zoroasterism.

 

[Onoma]

I cannot tell from that what your position actually is. Are you asserting that it is possible to mathematically prove the the bible? If not I that, then what precisely are you saying?

I think that is too vague a statement to begin with

Prove what, exactly ?

If one were to propose that the Bible is " divine " and that this is rigorously provable with mathematics, then the discussion of how the concept of divinity and mathematics were related in ancient priestly texts would probably have to be covered first ( I'm already quite familiar with these literary conventions in both Cuneiform and Egyptian scripts, having studied them for years, can't speak for any potential debate opponents here on RF... )

If anything is easily demonstrable, it's that the mathematical structure of the very languages used to write the book in first place, are taken from Egyptian mathematics used by priests

 

[rational experiences]

The Isis mother theme sciences about inventing a space.

Place mass destroys converts.

For machine to copy. React. Re the act re act ion.

Thesis. Isis. The Isis meaning.
Th O th. Numbers.

Four TH.
Fif Th.
Six Th etc.

Th Is is ie Sus.

This is Jesus king sacrifice story jewEl gone sacrificed out of O God mass

El power of God.

Jesus....thesis Jesus. Ie example Sus.

Sus nose point......pyramid. triangle or spear head. Secret science symbolisms

Science theism thinker says eternal yet includes thesis for all converted realities of the eternal

Answer created eternal converted ..no longer exists. Creation was eternal.

Yet he thinks the same as anyone has to use words eternal in his explanations. As reasoning.

Lying that form eternal creation is not eternal any more.

What lying using words means.

Man said all words.

Man is a human first without title

Words imposed.

Is Jesus a man?

No it is a title explained by a man.

En titled. Not real everyone should be equal. Family humanity communal member.

Cannot lie about history of why the elite human is rich. Lying gets you destroyed. You are a human first not a title.

 

[ppp]

I think that is too vague a statement to begin with

Prove what, exactly ?

If one were to propose that the Bible is " divine " and that this is rigorously provable with mathematics, then the discussion of how the concept of divinity and mathematics were related in ancient priestly texts would probably have to be covered first ( I'm already quite familiar with these literary conventions in both Cuneiform and Egyptian scripts, having studied them for years, can't speak for any potential debate opponents here on RF... )

If anything is easily demonstrable, it's that the mathematical structure of the very languages used to write the book in first place, are taken from Egyptian mathematics used by priests

I think the first thing you have to do is define divine, and then demonstrate that divine is a thing that something can actually be. That divine is a real attributes or a real state. Until you do that, you may as well say that the Bible is snirkelfarf.

 

[Onoma]

I think the first thing you have to do is define divine, and then demonstrate that divine is a thing that something can actually be. That divine is a real attributes or a real state. Until you do that, you may as well say that the Bible is snirkelfarf.

So we don't derail the thread any further, we can pick up on this conversation here:

Mathematics, Divinity and the Bible

 

[ppp]

So we don't derail the thread any further, we can pick up on this conversation here:

Mathematics, Divinity and the Bible

 

[rational experiences]

The teachers.

Humans who witnessed Jesus.

Jesus meaning ie Sus....nose point reason pyramid sacrificed life. Owned evaluations in all language. Yet it had the same meaning.

Sacrifice. Life attacked in one God heavens. Metal radiating cooling signals cut our flesh.

A war of heavenly god against science. Satanism. Satanists. Humans.

El in the gold crown King God jewels.

El gone became Jew.

Everyone was without God. Radiation increased. Water oxygen holy heated.

Our God spirit sacrificed.

We took a title that said all humans now God poor and a Jew. Teaching of science.

Humans for memorium took title. The same reason the shroud was kept. Human advice.

Scientific description.

Humans today get stigmata prove it real.

Cabal. Not really men or elite as everyone is a human first. I was taught don't judge we only learn now. The occult itself which no man owns. No man controls.

As it attacks all equal humans.

Why complaining about elite is not the occult warning.

The warning about humans being human victims the theme.