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Should Churches be Allowed to Legally Discriminate Against Hiring LGBTQ Persons?

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I would ask a different question. If you were gay, why would you want to force and organization that is against homosexuality to hire you?
May not have any other choice. Especially those living in a rural setting. Gay or not, choices tend to be very limited in such places.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I would ask a different question. If you were gay, why would you want to force and organization that is against homosexuality to hire you?
I suspect that the people asking questions of the "why would you ever want an unpleasant job?" persuasion:

- have never worked in the service industry, and
- have never had to choose between an unpleasant job and eviction.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Should churches be allowed to discriminate based on the skin color of the person they're hiring? To me the same reasoning applies to the op.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
That discrimination works both ways. You reap what you sow.
Ah.

I'm not sure that there are any liberal churches whose empires are large enough that people would even see a difference in their job prospects if liberal churches suddenly closed their doors to them.

Also, it's not the liberal Christians who tend to be jerks to people. I could see a progressive church maybe creating a job program for, say, at-risk LGBTQ youth if they saw a need for that in their community, but basing their employment policies on a desire to screw over Evangelicals and Catholics? That's not really their style.
 

Moses_UK

Member
The first question we need to ask is "Is Christianity a religion or are people culturally Christian"? if it's the latter, then it doesn't matter who is hired. if Christianity is a religion then they need to prove its validity.

How can they prove its validity?

1. the accuracy of the bible
2. the lack of contradictions
3. Proof Jesus was the real author of the bible and introduced the modern doctrines
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
The first question we need to ask is "Is Christianity a religion or are people culturally Christian"? if it's the latter, then it doesn't matter who is hired. if Christianity is a religion then they need to prove its validity.

How can they prove its validity?

1. the accuracy of the bible
2. the lack of contradictions
3. Proof Jesus was the real author of the bible and introduced the modern doctrines
Personally, I wouldn't want a secular court ruling on the validity of any religion. Why would you?
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
If you argue yes, then should liberal churches be legally allowed to discriminate by not hiring straights?

Should Apple have to hire a Microsoft employee? Should the US Army have to hire a
member of the Chinese Communist Party? Should the NRA have to hire an anti-gun
lobby member? Should Greenpeace have to hire a spokesman for the oil lobby? Should
Jehovah Witnesses allow an atheist to join their organization?
Isn't all this about the right of association?
 

Suave

Simulated character
If you argue yes, then should liberal churches be legally allowed to discriminate by not hiring straights?

No way, if they aren't L.G.B.T.Q.friendly, then I'd consider them to be a hate group, which should then be shut down by the state. Likewise, if they discriminate against straights, then I'd also consider them to be a hate group.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Should churches be allowed to discriminate based on the skin color of the person they're hiring? To me the same reasoning applies to the op.
IF churches want to discriminate THEN they automatically choose to be discriminated in return

Using the Christian Golden Rule: Do (not) unto others what you do (not) want to be done unto you
 

Moses_UK

Member
Personally, I wouldn't want a secular court ruling on the validity of any religion. Why would you?

For Christians, the Bible is the word of God and is factual. Based on this belief they have the right because God told them so. If they are wrong which I can prove; their claim against Gays and Lesbians are flawed.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Should Apple have to hire a Microsoft employee? Should the US Army have to hire a
member of the Chinese Communist Party? Should the NRA have to hire an anti-gun
lobby member? Should Greenpeace have to hire a spokesman for the oil lobby? Should
Jehovah Witnesses allow an atheist to join their organization?
Isn't all this about the right of association?
NO
 
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