How can a Jew reject Jesus as the Messiah?

[Skywalker]

It's what's associated with action. Faith without works is... what?

Faith without works is dead means that faith shows through works it doesn't mean that the works are the faith.

 

[YoursTrue]

John 1:1 mentions Jesus being God.

Nothing there with a trinity of three godpersons. The Word which many translations say WAS God, the Word (not two or three) was with...God. I'll keep it simple.

 

[YoursTrue]

Faith without works is dead means that faith shows through works it doesn't mean that the works are the faith.

Unfortunately faith can be in the wrong direction. Like taking or going through, by, or by means of the wrong highway. HANN. (Have A Nice Night.))

 

[YoursTrue]

Genesis 1:2 mentions the Holy Spirit.

So? And HANN.

 

[Skywalker]

Sorry but your trinity theory has Jesus with dual nature. Not equal.

Jesus had equal nature in terms of being equal with the Father, but like the Job verse about a Redeemer said, he has a dual nature in the context of being both man and God.

 

[Skywalker]

So? And HANN.

What about the verse let us make man in our image?

 

[Skywalker]

Unfortunately faith can be in the wrong direction. Like taking or going through, by, or by means of the wrong highway. HANN. (Have A Nice Night.))

Faith in Jesus as Lord is supported by Romans 10 9.

 

[YoursTrue]

Jesus had equal nature in terms of being equal with the Father, but like the Job verse about a Redeemer said, he has a dual nature in the context of being both man and God.

So clearly and I mean very clearly, he is not equal. (dual nature...) Forget everything else. A "dual nature" makes him unequal.

 

[Skywalker]

So clearly and I mean very clearly, he is not equal. (dual nature...) Forget everything else. A "dual nature" makes him unequal.

How does the hypostatic union make Jesus unequal to the Father?

 

[YoursTrue]

Faith in Jesus as Lord is supported by Romans 10 9.

One must have faith in Jesus as Lord, that is for sure. He gave up his life. Not as a godperson with a dual nature equal to two other godpersons.

How does the hypostatic union make Jesus unequal to the Father?

Again, faith can lead us in the wrong direction if we're not careful.

 

[YoursTrue]

How does the hypostatic union make Jesus unequal to the Father?

The other two godpersons didn't have a hypostatic union. Therefore...

 

[Skywalker]

One must have faith in Jesus as Lord, that is for sure. He gave up his life. Not as a godperson with a dual nature equal to two other godpersons.

Again, faith can lead us in the wrong direction if we're not careful.

Why should we have faith in a person as our Lord?

 

[Skywalker]

The other two godpersons didn't have a hypostatic union. Therefore...

There was only a need for the Son of God to incarnate as a man.

 

[Skywalker]

The other two godpersons didn't have a hypostatic union. Therefore...

The fullness of the Godhead dwelling in Jesus supports the doctrine of the hypostatic union. Similar to during the baptism of Jesus, God manifested himself to humanity as the Godhead. Who is God?

The Bible teaches that the Godhead became incarnate as a man, Jesus Christ... "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" (Colossians 2:9). Amen!

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Jesus Christ is not just God, but Almighty God... "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty" (Revelation 1:8). In Matthew 3:16 we clearly see the Godhead once more in the Scriptures, "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him. And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

Here we clearly see all three members of the Godhead—Jesus getting baptized, the Holy Spirit descending as a dove and the voice of the Father in Heaven.

Who is God? Jesus is God. The Father is God. The Holy Spirit is God. Matthew 1:23 states, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." Jesus said in John 10:33, "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God." Jesus professed to be God.

There is only ONE God... "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD" (Deuteronomy 6:4). Christians are not polytheists as Muslims allege. We believe there is only ONE God; but He has manifested Himself to mankind as a Godhead, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness..." (Genesis 1:26). All Persons of the Godhead are equal, possessing all divine power and greatness.

Jehovah's Witnesses errantly teach that Jesus is "a god"; but not Almighty God. The Bible teaches that Jesus is in fact, Almighty God... "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1:1-3,14). The Word was God and became flesh as the Son of God. This is the God of the Bible, as manifest through the life of the Lord Jesus Christ in the flesh.

Jesus said to see Him is to see the father, "...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?" (John 14:9). In Isaiah 9:6 Jesus is called "the everlasting father." They are one and the same, although two separate and distinct Persons as well. This is the mystery of the Godhead... "That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ."

God is not an UNKNOWN GOD. The Bible specifically tells us "Who" God is and even tells us His name—JESUS CHRIST! Jesus Christ came to this earth as the manifestation of the Godhead incarnate, "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..." (1st Timothy 3:16).

 

[Ehav4Ever]

And what does Hand Behold Nail Behold mean? I would have thought god would have been more coherent in his acronyms.

Even bigger than that. Why is it that this was unknown to the first Jewish Christians and all of Christianity until the Hebrew Roots and Sacred Name Christians started promoting these ideas about two decades or so ago?

 

[Ehav4Ever]

The context of Job was his suffering. In the midst of this he has a revelation of his
Redeemer the one who who is alive now but one day will appear on the earth.

So, if what you are saying is true let's do a Zoom where we take the Hebrew text start at the beginning of Iyov (Job) and read it all the way through the end and prove it. If you want we can try to include some non-Jewish and non-Christian Hebrew experts to make sure the reading is being done fairly. If what you are saying is true we should able to prove that within about 15 minutes. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

 

[YoursTrue]

Why should we have faith in a person as our Lord?

Because he is the one that Jehovah gave power and authority to. But not over Jehovah as it is written. Because...1 Corinthians 15 explains this very well: Notice, if you will:
4Then the end will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. 25For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For “God has put everything under His feet.” Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him. 28And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all.

 

[YoursTrue]

What about the verse let us make man in our image?

Go back to John 1, the WORD was with God. No matter how you take it, as a divine one, God or God or "a" God, that's two gods there, not three. We can go over this another time, the Greek gets a little complicated there but it doesn't really matter. In this case. But we can go over it. It's still two, not three and not one. Yesss there is only one true God. Not 3 in 1. But the term God can be applied to Jesus in a particular sense. However, keep in mind he called his father in heaven the only true God. This does not make Jesus false. It means he knew his father and his father knows him

King James Bible John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

 

[Skywalker]

Because he is the one that Jehovah gave power and authority to. But not over Jehovah as it is written. Because...1 Corinthians 15 explains this very well: Notice, if you will:
4Then the end will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. 25For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For “God has put everything under His feet.” Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him. 28And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all.

Why would God give the power and authority of God to someone who isn't God? We are to only worship God. Who is God?

Jehovah's Witnesses errantly teach that Jesus is "a god"; but not Almighty God. The Bible teaches that Jesus is in fact, Almighty God... "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1:1-3,14). The Word was God and became flesh as the Son of God. This is the God of the Bible, as manifest through the life of the Lord Jesus Christ in the flesh.

Jesus said to see Him is to see the father, "...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?" (John 14:9). In Isaiah 9:6 Jesus is called "the everlasting father." They are one and the same, although two separate and distinct Persons as well. This is the mystery of the Godhead... "That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ."

 

[Skywalker]

Go back to John 1, the WORD was with God. No matter how you take it, as a divine one, God or God or "a" God, that's two gods there, not three. We can go over this another time, the Greek gets a little complicated there but it doesn't really matter. In this case. But we can go over it. It's still two, not three and not one. Yesss there is only one true God. Not 3 in 1. But the term God can be applied to Jesus in a particular sense. However, keep in mind he called his father in heaven the only true God. This does not make Jesus false. It means he knew his father and his father knows him

King James Bible John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

That verse means the word was work Jesus, not God the Father or Holy Spirit.

Jesus, with the term thou, was referred to as a true God in that context.

Jesus and the Bible both being called the word of God doesn't mean that Jesus being called the word of God was a self contradiction. How can Jesus and the Bible both be the Word of God? | GotQuestions.org

How can Jesus and the Bible both be the Word of God?
Question: "How can Jesus and the Bible both be the Word of God?"

Answer: The phrase “word of God” appears often in the Bible and can have a slightly different meaning depending on context and the Hebrew or Greek word used. John 1:1-2 says, “In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.” Here, Word is a title of the Lord Jesus. The term translated “Word” is logos, which basically means “the expression of a thought.” Logos can be thought of as the total message of God to man (Acts 11:1; 1 Thessalonians 2:13). Jesus embodied that total message, and that is why He is called the “Logos,” or “Word,” of God (Colossians 1:19; 2:9).

Logos is also used many times when referring to the written message of God (John 17:17; 1 Timothy 4:5; Revelation 1:2; Colossians 1:25). Hebrews 4:12 says, “The word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.” Jesus showed a link between the written Word of God and Himself, in that He is the subject of the written Word: “You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me” (John 5:39).

Another Greek word used for “word” is rhema. Rhema refers to the actual spoken/written words of God (Hebrews 6:5). When Jesus was being tempted by Satan, He answered, “Man does not live by bread alone, but by every word [rhema] that proceeds from the mouth of God” (Matthew 4:4). We are told in Ephesians 6:17 to “take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word [rhema] of God.” Jesus demonstrated we need the actual recorded words of God to overcome Satan’s attacks.

The phrase “word of God” means more than the printed words on a page. God is a communicator and has been speaking into the human realm since the beginning. He speaks through His creation (Psalm 19:1), through ancient prophets (Hosea 12:10; Hebrews 1:1), through the Holy Spirit (John 16:13; Acts 16:6), through Scripture (Hebrews 4:12), and through the Person of His Son, Jesus Christ (John 14:9). We can learn to know God better by seeking to hear Him in every way that He speaks.