How can a Jew reject Jesus as the Messiah?

[dybmh]

Is it all just a coincidence? Jesus is everywhere in the Tanakh.

Yes, the examples you're bringing are all weak arguments to believe in Jesus. The real reason a Christian believes in Jesus is because of the story in the Christian bible. The acronyms are simply not strong evidence. They're cute, but that's all.

 

[YoursTrue]

Trust me when I say. You would be better off just ignoring this thread.

Going through a couple of posts, that sounds reasonable.

 

[dybmh]

The problem with this one is the equivilance of aleph as God. Aleph is a chief, that's true. But equating a leader to God is... well... you're still thinking to small. Your version of God is much smaller compared to the Jewish version of God. So it's just not making any impact.

 

[YoursTrue]

Who do you worship and serve? Before answering read Philippians 2:9-11.

I don't know what it means to you, but it means to me that God gave Jesus the name above all other names. Taken in context, if Jesus is God, do you think he give himself as an equal to God or one of the godpersons the name above other names?

 

[YoursTrue]

Zechariah 12:10 in the King James Bible talks about the divinity of Jesus. It says, "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."

Again, to go by or through someone or something can mean the same thing.

 

[YoursTrue]

As best I know:

We lived as spirits before coming to earth. There was God and His created spirits. Jesus and Lucifer were the two oldest... I think Lucifer was the oldest.

Lucifer said we could come to Earth and He'd make sure everyone would do the right thing and get saved in the kingdom of God. Lucifer would receive the glory.

Jesus Christ said He would set an example for them, but they could choose whether to be saved or not. God would receive the glory.

God chose Jesus Christ's plan. Lucifer was angry and took 1/3 of the spirits with Him. They would never receive bodies but would try to antagonize people to not accept Jesus' plan.

When we came to earth, a curtain over this previous life covered it so we would have a fair test.

Once we die, we go to spirit paradise or spirit prison. Those in the paradise preach to those who arr in prison, and they can still repent but it's more difficult without bodies.

Then there is a judgement and there are multiple Heavens to which one might go.

Oh sorry. And you know this how about living as spirits before we were conceived and born? These conversations can be amazing...

 

[Skywalker]

They aren't God either.

The Bible supports that Christians and Jesus are different because Christians are never called the Son of God in the Bible.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Oh sorry. And you know this how about living as spirits before we were conceived and born? These conversations can be amazing...

The only way we can claim to know this is through modern revelation. Joseph Smith was considered a great philosopher because he came up with the idea of continuing revelation.

 

[Skywalker]

Again, to go by or through someone or something can mean the same thing.

God didnt do those things through Christ, Christ was doing those things because He was God.

 

[YoursTrue]

Those verses shows that the members of the Trinity had different roles.

Once you get it straight, if ever, maybe we can talk about the fact that the holy spirit is not one of the three godpersons you claim are God, equal to God and each other.
But that comes later.

 

[Skywalker]

Once you get it straight, if ever, maybe we can talk about the fact that the holy spirit is not one of the three godpersons you claim are God, equal to God and each other.
But that comes later.

King David talked about the Holy Spirit. He said take not thy Spirit from me. Psalm 51:11.

Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

 

[YoursTrue]

The only way we can claim to know this is through modern revelation. Joseph Smith was considered a great philosopher because he came up with the idea of continuing revelation.

Oh. Ok so you believe Joseph Smith. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[YoursTrue]

King David talked about the Holy Spirit. He said take not thy Spirit from me.

Again, nothing.

 

[YoursTrue]

God didnt do those things through Christ, Christ was doing those things because He was God.

Lol so you say Christ was in your terminology one of the three godpersons each equal to the others.

 

[YoursTrue]

God didnt do those things through Christ, Christ was doing those things because He was God.

Look at John 1 again. I would pray if I were you. But have a nice night, hope it's pleasant where you're at.

 

[Skywalker]

Again, nothing.

Genesis 1:2 mentions the Holy Spirit.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

 

[Skywalker]

Lol so you say Christ was in your terminology one of the three godpersons each equal to the others.

He was like a citizen of a nation. I'm equal to the president in essence but not in authority.

 

[YoursTrue]

That's my belief about Jewish Christianity and Messianic Judaism. The motivation of the person makes it godly or not.

It's what's associated with action. Faith without works is... what?

 

[Skywalker]

Look at John 1 again. I would pray if I were you. But have a nice night, hope it's pleasant where you're at.

John 1:1 mentions Jesus being God.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

 

[YoursTrue]

He was like a citizen of a nation. I'm equal to the president in essence but not in authority.

Sorry but your trinity theory has Jesus with dual nature. Not equal.