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Who is the Antichrist?

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
According to the Bible?

What I've read...

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.


John seems to have a lot to say about the antichrist. Seems they will deny Jesus is Christ and there will be many of them.

Or am I missing some concept? I get the impression that many feel there will be one antichrist, or one main antichrist. So they can say the antichrist is this or that, assuming having identified the antichrist they can fight/defeat the foe they have identified?

Atheism, IMO, neither confirms or denies Jesus is Christ. Is this passive denial?

Does denial of Jesus require active denial? If so, who today denies Jesus is the Christ?
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
According to the Bible?

What I've read...

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.


John seems to have a lot to say about the antichrist. Seems they will deny Jesus is Christ and there will be many of them.

Or am I missing some concept? I get the impression that many feel there will be one antichrist, or one main antichrist. So they can say the antichrist is this or that, assuming having identified the antichrist they can fight/defeat the foe they have identified?

Atheism, IMO, neither confirms or denies Jesus is Christ. Is this passive denial?

Does denial of Jesus require active denial? If so, who today denies Jesus is the Christ?

One of the ideologies this attacks is Gnosticism, which claimed Jesus was not actually human, ie did not "come in the flesh." So depending on the text it seems to either be an attack on (non-Christian) Jews or Gnostics.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
According to the Bible?

What I've read...

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.


John seems to have a lot to say about the antichrist. Seems they will deny Jesus is Christ and there will be many of them.

Or am I missing some concept? I get the impression that many feel there will be one antichrist, or one main antichrist. So they can say the antichrist is this or that, assuming having identified the antichrist they can fight/defeat the foe they have identified?

Atheism, IMO, neither confirms or denies Jesus is Christ. Is this passive denial?

Does denial of Jesus require active denial? If so, who today denies Jesus is the Christ?

Me! Me!

And I didn't even realize.

Let's see if holy water
sizzles when I touch it.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Atheism, IMO, neither confirms or denies Jesus is Christ. Is this passive denial?

Does denial of Jesus require active denial? If so, who today denies Jesus is the Christ?
IMO: It's meant symbolically

Christ stands for Love and Compassion
AntiChrist are those who go against Love and Compassion

Atheists can be ProChrist, and those who call themselves Christians can be AntiChrist
 

Audie

Veteran Member
IMO: It's meant symbolically

Christ stands for Love and Compassion
AntiChrist are those who go against Love and Compassion

Atheists can be ProChrist, and those who call themselves Christians can be AntiChrist

Is there supposed to be ANYTHING in the Bible that isn't just "symbolic "?
 

Vouthon

Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm really anti-Jesus. I'll take the job!


Maybe this is your true calling and destiny then Rival, ahem:


Whore of Babylon - Wikipedia


The Whore of Babylon, refers to both a symbolic female figure and place of evil mentioned in the Book of Revelation in the Bible.

Her full title is stated in Revelation 17 (verse 5) as Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Prostitutes and Abominations of the Earth (Ancient Greek: μυστήριον, Βαβυλὼν ἡ μεγάλη, ἡ μήτηρ τῶν πορνῶν καὶ τῶν βδελυγμάτων τῆς γῆς; transliterated mystērion, Babylōn hē megalē, hē mētēr tōn pornōn kai tōn bdelygmatōn tēs gēs).

:eek: :p
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Is there supposed to be ANYTHING in the Bible that isn't just "symbolic "?
IMO:

IF people would not have taken their Scriptures so literally, I think there would have been much less people killed over the Ages

Interpreting verses literally easily leads to violence. And the goal of Scriptures is to improve yourself spiritual, not to kill others
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
According to the Bible?

What I've read...

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.


John seems to have a lot to say about the antichrist. Seems they will deny Jesus is Christ and there will be many of them.

Or am I missing some concept? I get the impression that many feel there will be one antichrist, or one main antichrist. So they can say the antichrist is this or that, assuming having identified the antichrist they can fight/defeat the foe they have identified?

Atheism, IMO, neither confirms or denies Jesus is Christ. Is this passive denial?

Does denial of Jesus require active denial? If so, who today denies Jesus is the Christ?
Look, it's quite obviously the Secretary-General of the United Nations. I mean. Stands to reason.

Ban Ki Moon—UN Caretaker or AntiChrist?
 

Audie

Veteran Member
IMO:

IF people would not have taken their Scriptures so literally, I think there would have been much less people killed over the Ages

Interpreting verses literally easily leads to violence. And the goal of Scriptures is to improve yourself spiritual, not to kill others

Sure.

But is there anything other than, say, "water" or maybe "Egypt " that is supposed to be real?

An awful lot to wade through to get a few .title prains of folk wisdom that are generally common to all cultures.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I'm really anti-Jesus. I'll take the job!

You cannot have the job unless you meet all the qualifications for the job. ;)

The Bible says that the Anti-Christ:

1. Denies that Jesus is the Christ.

1 John Chapter 2
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.


2. Denies the Father and the Son.

1 John Chapter 2
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.


3. Denies that Jesus came in the flesh and cleansed us of sin.

1 John Chapter 4
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


1 John Chapter 1
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.


4. Is equated with deceivers and linked with false prophets.

1 John Chapter 4
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.


5. Is already in the world during the writing of the epistles of John (100 AD)

1 John Chapter 4
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


6. Is a former Christian.

1 John Chapter 2
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Sure.

But is there anything other than, say, "water" or maybe "Egypt " that is supposed to be real?

An awful lot to wade through to get a few .title prains of folk wisdom that are generally common to all cultures.
I don't believe one can get wisdom by reading Scriptures
Scriptures can inspire, but the wisdom only comes from within
Reading only gives knowledge (and esp. nowadays much is fake)
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I don't believe one can get wisdom by reading Scriptures
Scriptures can inspire, but the wisdom only comes from within
Reading only gives knowledge (and esp. nowadays much is fake)
So, like I say, why bother with that moldy
" scripture " stuff?
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
So, like I say, why bother with that moldy
" scripture " stuff?
Especially as you are an Atheist, I can understand why you are saying this
But, I don't understand why you would tell this to a theist who enjoys studying this
I have no problem what other people study. Not all have the same interest

Some people like apples, other people like bananas
Some people like Atheistic films others like Theistic films
I let them both do what they enjoy to do; it's not my business
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
Or am I missing some concept?
[1Jo 2:26 NIV] 26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray.

Part of your troubles are due to it being a bad or a partial translation. They selectively translate some words while transliterating other words to your detriment. In this verse Christ is not translated but in nearby verses it is translated -- to 'Anointed'. I suspect a very old deception. This version is not an isolated case, either. Let me further say that in *nearly every and maybe every* English translation the word 'Antichrist' in verse #22 is transliterated, keeping it very ominous and superstitious sounding, but just a few verses down Christ is translated tot 'Anoint/ing/er' and not transliterated. This is against you and me and to support someone else's purposes. It is to our harm.

I think its done on purpose to give you and I the false impression that two words are one, to have us chasing our tails. This translation/transliterations habit came about during the Reformation period. Maybe it was due to the taint of all the hatred between the clerics, despite its obvious duplicity. Some of the Reformers wanted to frame the Roman church as Babylon, and this suited them. It also suited them to assume it would be corrected later, which it never was. Lucky us. "Its our own fault for not learning the original language."

So you could read it as "Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Anointed/er? This is the anti-anoint/er, the one who denies the Father and the Son." This is not subtle. This is completely different and registers differently. It obscures the nature of communal faith, or so it seems to me.
 

shivsomashekhar

Well-Known Member
IMO:

IF people would not have taken their Scriptures so literally, I think there would have been much less people killed over the Ages

Interpreting verses literally easily leads to violence. And the goal of Scriptures is to improve yourself spiritual, not to kill others

But the author(s) never intends his work to be interpreted symbolically.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Does denial of Jesus require active denial? If so, who today denies Jesus is the Christ?

We have established that the only Bible writer to use the word “antichrist” is the apostle John. So how did he describe the antichrist? Let's see......
“Young children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared, from which fact we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of our sort . . . Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. (1 John 2:18-19, 22)
The antichrist was therefore originally part of the Christian brotherhood, but "he" apostatized....or fell away from Christ's teachings.

John mentioned “many antichrists,” indicating that the antichrist is not an individual, but a collective term. People or organizations making up the antichrist spread lies, deny that Jesus is the Messiah, and try to distort the relationship between God and His Son. Those who make up the antichrist claim to be Christ or his representatives, but since “they went out from us,” they deviated from true Bible teachings. Furthermore, this group was present at the time when John wrote his letter, in “the last hour,” presumably the end of apostolic period.

Speaking about false prophets, John warned: Every inspired statement that acknowledges Jesus Christ as having come in the flesh originates with God. But every inspired statement that does not acknowledge Jesus does not originate with God. Furthermore, this is the antichrist’s inspired statement that you have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world.” (1 John 4:2-3)

Apostate Christianity was forming and growing as the "weeds" that Jesus foretold in his parable. "Sown by the devil" (Matthew 13:24-30) this counterfeit form of Christianity spread like gangrene in the world and became a substitute for what Christ started. These denied that 'Christ' had come in the flesh, instead claiming that 'God' had done so. Making Jesus and his Father into "one God" with the holy spirit thrown in for a threesome, confused the true identity and nature of God. There is no trinity in scripture. To me that means that all who embrace the trinity are actually taught by the antichrist.

Then, in his second letter, John reiterated this point: “Many deceivers have gone out into the world, those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.” (2 John 7)

For this reason I believe that the antichrist is none other than the clergy of Christendom, spawned by the apostate church formed by Constantine, and mandated in Rome in order to consolidate his divided empire. It was a sad fusion of pagan Roman sun worship and weakened Christianity. Weeds always grow better than the plants you want to cultivate.....so they took over in the world and people were taught to believe that what they promoted was what Christ taught.....that could not be further from the truth IMO.

(Excerpts taken from https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2015406?q=who+is+the+antichrist&p=par#h=10 )
 
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