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You can not understand God with human common sense.

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
What do i mean by this?
To understand God you must look at your own actions, use of words, and your thoughts.

Why? Because if you have unwholsome actions that is wrong in Gods eyes, you can not gain the wisdom to Gods pure actions.

If your words are full of hate, swearing, greed, jealosy and so on, your mind is not empty and pure so you can not hear God when God calling your name to make you aware that you slipping away in to a life of suffering.

If your thoughts reflex your mouth with bad thoughts and bad intention, your mind can still not hear Gods calling.

Only when your action, words and thoughts has been purified can you fully hear Gods full message to you.

You become like God.
 
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Altfish

Veteran Member
What do i mean by this?
To understand God you must look at your own actions, use of words, and your thoughts.

Why? Because if you have unwholsome actions that is wrong in Gods eyes, you can not gain the wisdom to Gods pure actions.

If your words are full of hate, swearing, greed, jealosy and do on, your mind is not empty and pure so you can not hear God when God calling your name to make you aware that you slipping away in to a life of suffering.

If your thoughts reflex your mouth with bad thoughts and bad intention, your mind can still not hear Gods calling.

Only when your action, words and thoughts has been purified can you fully hear Gods full message to you.

You become like God.
So where am I going wrong?

Is it because I have unwholesome thoughts?
Or, are my words full of hate, swearing, greed, etc.

Actually, maybe it is because I think too much; I question things; I inquire;

The more I think about it the less I need a god. We have enough cruel world leaders as it is.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Common sense tells me that God is an illusion...a myth...a fiction.
This is the best understanding (IMO).
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
What do i mean by this?
To understand God you must look at your own actions, use of words, and your thoughts.

Why? Because if you have unwholsome actions that is wrong in Gods eyes, you can not gain the wisdom to Gods pure actions.

If your words are full of hate, swearing, greed, jealosy and do on, your mind is not empty and pure so you can not hear God when God calling your name to make you aware that you slipping away in to a life of suffering.

If your thoughts reflex your mouth with bad thoughts and bad intention, your mind can still not hear Gods calling.

Only when your action, words and thoughts has been purified can you fully hear Gods full message to you.

You become like God.
Its just a discover the mystery speech to make something appealing and convincing.

There really is no God calling anyone, except the voices in one's own mind that sometimes thinks its God calling in hopes of getting convinced by that.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
So where am I going wrong?

Is it because I have unwholesome thoughts?
Or, are my words full of hate, swearing, greed, etc.

Actually, maybe it is because I think too much; I question things; I inquire;

The more I think about it the less I need a god. We have enough cruel world leaders as it is.
The OP is not a critique of you or anybody else:) it only state that for humans to truly connection with God, they would benefit from becomming silent in speaking, actions and thoughts, and look within them self to know what must be done to become pure with no attachments to the outer world ( physical world)
Spiritual practice is about becomming silent and listen.
But of course we should ask questions, questions toward our own way of living, finding faults within our one life so we can take away everything unwholsome that we do in our own life.
 

Secret Chief

nirvana is samsara
What do i mean by this?
To understand God you must look at your own actions, use of words, and your thoughts.

Why? Because if you have unwholsome actions that is wrong in Gods eyes, you can not gain the wisdom to Gods pure actions.

If your words are full of hate, swearing, greed, jealosy and do on, your mind is not empty and pure so you can not hear God when God calling your name to make you aware that you slipping away in to a life of suffering.

If your thoughts reflex your mouth with bad thoughts and bad intention, your mind can still not hear Gods calling.

Only when your action, words and thoughts has been purified can you fully hear Gods full message to you.

You become like God.
Just sitting and not thinking discursively is quite the thing. Known as wu-wei in Daoism I think. :blush:
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
The OP is not a critique of you or anybody else:) it only state that for humans to truly connection with God, they would benefit from becomming silent in speaking, actions and thoughts, and look within them self to know what must be done to become pure with no attachments to the outer world ( physical world)
Spiritual practice is about becomming silent and listen.
But of course we should ask questions, questions toward our own way of living, finding faults within our one life so we can take away everything unwholsome that we do in our own life.
I'm sorry but when I read the OP it states that because people do a, b, c & d (all deemed bad things) they will not find god.
So, it implies because I don't find god (I did as a kid but then found science) that I must be a bad person doing bad things.
I'm a good person, I look after my aged parents (I'm not that young myself); I give to charity; I volunteer for numerous groups, I help my institution out without charge.
I may swear occasionally, I enjoy a good discussion (argument), I drink to much on occasions, I don't handle fools very well, and I can't stand hypocrites, racists, bigots and people who tell women what to do with their bodies
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
I'm sorry but when I read the OP it states that because people do a, b, c & d (all deemed bad things) they will not find god.
So, it implies because I don't find god (I did as a kid but then found science) that I must be a bad person doing bad things.
I'm a good person, I look after my aged parents (I'm not that young myself); I give to charity; I volunteer for numerous groups, I help my institution out without charge.
I may swear occasionally, I enjoy a good discussion (argument), I drink to much on occasions, I don't handle fools very well, and I can't stand hypocrites, racists, bigots and people who tell women what to do with their bodies
You are not a bad person @Altfish, the OP is saying in the tittle, you can not understand God if you only clinging to this physical world. God arise from within you when you let go of the "physical reality" and stop using your physical eyes to look for God.

Science will not find a being called God who play peekaboo with us humans.
 

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
Staff member
Premium Member
What do i mean by this?
To understand God you must look at your own actions, use of words, and your thoughts.

Why? Because if you have unwholsome actions that is wrong in Gods eyes, you can not gain the wisdom to Gods pure actions.

If your words are full of hate, swearing, greed, jealosy and do on, your mind is not empty and pure so you can not hear God when God calling your name to make you aware that you slipping away in to a life of suffering.

If your thoughts reflex your mouth with bad thoughts and bad intention, your mind can still not hear Gods calling.

Only when your action, words and thoughts has been purified can you fully hear Gods full message to you.

You become like God.

I really do my best to avoid using "you" in such analogies. I really have no knowledge of others' experiences with regard to divinity or how well they exercise their dharma.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
I really do my best to avoid using "you" in such analogies. I really have no knowledge of others' experiences with regard to divinity or how well they exercise their dharma.
I think people see this words like I, Me, You to litterally when i write in RF.

My OP is not a critique of anybody or a critique of how people are living their life. It only explain " my way" of explaining what it took me to see God, so OP is to be taken as a way to understand what it takes to get in "contact" with God.
There will be other ways too, no doubt about that.

I think people get a bit scared when i say to take away everything in the physical world and only look within. Or when i say humans must "clean them self" from within and take away the bad habbits like bad words, actions and thoughts
 

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
Staff member
Premium Member
I think people see this words like I, Me, You to litterally when i write in RF.

Being impeccable with one's word greatly reduces the possibility of drama resulting from unnecessary assumptions. ;)

My OP is not a critique of anybody or a critique of how people are living their life. It only explain " my way" of explaining what it took me to see God, so OP is to be taken as a way to understand what it takes to get in "contact" with God.
There will be other ways too, no doubt about that.

I know what your intent was, but it's because I've had a substantial amount of interaction with you. However, not everyone has has this privilege.

I think people get a bit scared when i say to take away everything in the physical world and only look within. Or when i say humans must "clean them self" from within and take away the bad habbits like bad words, actions and thoughts

But is it for you to tell humans that they need to look only within and clean themselves from within? I think that it's more impactful when one learns from their own experiences and is incentivized to clean themselves as a result of these experiences than it is when someone merely tells them to.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Being impeccable with one's word greatly reduces the possibility of drama resulting from unnecessary assumptions. ;)



I know what your intent was, but it's because I've had a substantial amount of interaction with you. However, not everyone has has this privilege.



But is it for you to tell humans that they need to look only within and clean themselves from within? I think that it's more impactful when one learns from their own experiences and is incentivized to clean themselves as a result of these experiences than it is when someone merely tells them to.
I understand what you say @SalixIncendium, no it is not obligation to tell others what " they have to do" everyone are free to do as they like and dont have to listen to anything i say :)

Why do i say the things i do in RF the way i do? Only to show seekers that with hard work, dedication to your religious belief and personal growth it is possible to get wisdom from spiritual practice.

If people disagree with me, no problem
 

Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
To be full of things is to be empty of God. To be empty of things is to be full of God. - Meister Eckhart​

There's a reason the early Christian monastics retreated to the Egyptian desert. Because God is heard in silence. In the desert there is nothing but a vast expanse. There is nothing to distract you from the existential questions. And in the Gospels we are exhorted to let go of the things of the world. We are exhorted to the highest degree of virtue because it is only to the pure soul unencumbered by earthly attachments that God reveals himself.

Few of us are in a position to drop everything and become hermits in the desert (nor would the attempt be desirable for most) but that doesn't mean that from time to time we can't take trips to our own interior deserts. To cultivate the realization that neither carnal or material things bring inner peace. To realize the happiness promised by such desires is a fleeting illusion. To realize that at every moment we by our wills dispose our souls either towards or away from God. And that when all is said and done God will grant us that disposition we have chosen by our lives.
 
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Audie

Veteran Member
What do i mean by this?
To understand God you must look at your own actions, use of words, and your thoughts.

Why? Because if you have unwholsome actions that is wrong in Gods eyes, you can not gain the wisdom to Gods pure actions.

If your words are full of hate, swearing, greed, jealosy and do on, your mind is not empty and pure so you can not hear God when God calling your name to make you aware that you slipping away in to a life of suffering.

If your thoughts reflex your mouth with bad thoughts and bad intention, your mind can still not hear Gods calling.

Only when your action, words and thoughts has been purified can you fully hear Gods full message to you.

You become like God.

Groovy the way you present that people who don't buy that ridiculous God - stoty
are full of hate greed etc, and must withal
be base and ignoble people.

Sure makes you wonderful, up on your self erected pedestal.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Groovy the way you present that people who don't buy that ridiculous God - stoty
are full of hate greed etc, and must withal
be base and ignoble people.

Sure makes you wonderful, up on your self erected pedestal.
You misunderstand the use of this words, i do not point at any person, what OP saying is for us humans to understand God, anger, jealosy and so on can not be in our mind, the spiritual path are meant to make the practitioner aware of his or her attachments to this things, so they can be let go of. That is the spiritual prosess of comming closer to God.

Again i do not point fingers at others, i am very aware of my own faults, so why point at others.
Every OP i make in RF this days is only based on how i do things. That means there are thousands of other ways to do it's. The way i do things may not work for others
 

Audie

Veteran Member
The OP is not a critique of you or anybody else:) it only state that for humans to truly connection with God, they would benefit from becomming silent in speaking, actions and thoughts, and look within them self to know what must be done to become pure with no attachments to the outer world ( physical world)
Spiritual practice is about becomming silent and listen.
But of course we should ask questions, questions toward our own way of living, finding faults within our one life so we can take away everything unwholsome that we do in our own life.
Wholesome, yes, so very wholesome to see
yourself on a godlike path so far above those cursing haters all about you.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
You misunderstand the use of this words, i do not point at any person, what OP saying is for us humans to understand God, anger, jealosy and so on can not be in our mind, the spiritual path are meant to make the practitioner aware of his or her attachments to this things, so they can be let go of. That is the spiritual prosess og comming closer to God.

Again i do not point fingers at others, i am very aware of my own faults, so why point at others.
Every OP i make in RF this days is only based on how i do things. That means there are thousands of other ways to do it's. The way i do things may not work for others

Its you who knows not what he is saying,
we get it just fine.
 

Vouthon

Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est
Staff member
Premium Member
There's a reason the early Christian monastics retreated to the Egyptian desert. Because God is heard in silence. In the desert there is nothing but a vast expanse. There is nothing to distract you from the existential questions. And in the Gospels we are exhorted to let go of the things of the world. We are exhorted to the highest degree of virtue because it is only to the pure soul unencumbered by earthly attachments that God reveals himself.

Gorgeous post @Musing Bassist

The Carmelite Order of Catholic monastics, from which sprang many mystical theologians of our church - including St. John of the Cross and St. Teresa of Avila - derived its name from the biblical narrative about the prophet Elijah finding God amid the silence of Mount Carmel, as a "still, small voice":


And, behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the Lord; but the Lord was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the Lord was not in the earthquake: and after the earthquake a fire; but the Lord was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.

1 Kings 19:11-12.


Utterly detached from the needs of the body, he was fed by ravens, a widow and an angel, according to the story (I Kings 17; 6,15 and 19:5).

Thank you for giving us that short, lucidly expressed and spiritually invigorating "mini-homily" on the importance of silence in our prayer lives.

And I do so love seeing Meister Eckhart quoted :D
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
So, it implies because I don't find god (I did as a kid but then found science) that I must be a bad person doing bad things.
If I may inject a thought, and a question here. I don't read what the OP was saying is that we don't find God because we're bad. Rather it's because we're more distracted.

As an example: It's a beautiful day outside. The sun is shining, the sky is blue, the birds are singing, there's a cool breeze in the air, the flowers are blooming. Yet, instead of engaging with all of this Beauty, we choose instead to sit inside with the curtains closed, fixated on playing a first-person shooter game on the TV, hour after hour, the whole day, pausing only to eat snacks on the couch.

That's very much how I read the OP. Beauty escapes us when we focus our lives instead upon isolating ourselves in our own worries and concerns, anger, resentments, backbittings, and feeding all manner of negativities in our lives. It is in effect shutting us out and away from the the world and others. "God" is another way to say Life, Beauty, Goodness, etc. If we fixate upon the negatives, we can't see Beauty, or God.

And my question is, you said you found God as a child. What does that mean to you? You found Beauty? Or you were introduced to religion? Can you clarify?
 
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