If that is how you see it, then one may have explained why the Jew also reject Christianity.
Regards Tony
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How can the Jew reject, Jesus, Muhammad, Bab and Baha'u'llah?
If that is how you see it, then one may have explained why the Jew also reject Christianity.
Regards Tony
ayin
Member
Ezek 3:7 But the house of Israel will not listen to you, for they will not listen to me. For the whole house of Israel has a hard forehead and a hardened heart.
To that I have no doubt, Thankyou for the follow up.
I was looking up passages about prophecy and the return of the Jews to the Holy land and read this. Isaiah 11
I have done my Baha'i pilgrimage to Haifa, but in the future th 1st pilgrimage for a Baha'i will to visit the Holy places in Iran (Assyria) before coming to Haifa. I always thought that would be done on foot following the path of the exile of Baha'u'llah and I would do it in rememberance.
Then my heart melted whan I got to the last verse of Isaiah 11, verse 16
"There will be a highway for the remnant of his people that is left from Assyria, as there was for Israel when they came up from Egypt."
Those companions that joined Baha'u'llah in exile help pave the way for that highway, which I already walk it in my heart.
That is how faith works, it changes one heart at a time and God works a plan way above out interactions.
The time is now, it is a time for a united world, to live in peace and all the while we Love and Worship the One God which manifests in us in Honesty, virtue and morality.
Regards Tony
Have you ever considered that we Jews are required to reject so Christians, Muslims, and Bahai have room their respective heavens?
Besides, we Jews have better membership cards and pension plans if we reject. Shouldn't that alone be enough.
Hey that is a good alternate plan.
Those pension cards should get you into all of God's Faiths. Personally I see we should submit to the Will of G_d for us all and embrace the Covenant as one people.
That is me though.
Have a most great day and stay happy, Regards Tony
And part of that destiny is for Torah based Jews to reject anything that gets in the way of that destiny. The three paths you mentioned are not on the map for a Jew so rejection is necessary.
Maybe G_d will show us an alternative way. It is G_d that changes hearts.
Regards Tony
There will be a regathering of Jews to Israel before the second coming of the Messiah. Regathering of Jews back to Israel "will occur right before the return of the Messiah"
How so? What besides the Torah is the Word of God?
Christians, Muslims, and Baha'is.
So what other religions do you believe are true?
That is a straw man. I never said everyone who is not Jewish follows the same religion. Obviously that is not the case.
I also never said that numbers equal right or wrong.
How many people believe something has nothing to do with whether it is true or false. That is the fallacy of argumentum ad populum
In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition is true because many or most people believe it: "If many believe so, it is so."
The converse of this is that if many or most people do not believe it, it cannot be so, and that is fallacious.
I am not upset about wiggling Jews, sorry for the comment.
I must have answered 100 posts today and I have been in the forum for 12 hours and I am not done yet.
This new thread was the straw that broke the camel’s back.
And now I see 8 more posts.
I also believe that the Tanakh is the Word of God.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Logically speaking if there is a God, God knows who His Messengers are since God sent them.
Believers can only believe since we can never even prove God exists, let alone that He sent certain Messengers.
Some of is believe we know and I see nothing wrong with saying that as everyone has a right to their own beliefs.
Obviously they reject other religions because they do not believe those other religions are true, but that does not mean they are not true; they are either true or false.
The question is why they do not believe that any other religions are true, and that could be asked of anyone who only believes one religion is true. I think the main reason is because of religious tradition, what they were raised to believe, not because they have seriously investigated the other religions and found them to be false. They believe they have all they need in their religion, and one cannot add water to a cup that is completely full.
That is what religions do, they disagree about each others religious theories and quarrel about it.
The great spiritual teachers Shri Shiva and Shri Krishna did not do any religious theorizing but in their own way and place and time strengthened Dharma so the people could more easily advance spiritually and re-establish a harmonious society.
The great spiritual teachers Shri Shiva and Shri Krishna did not do any religious theorizing but in their own way and place and time strengthened Dharma so the people could more easily advance spiritually and re-establish a harmonious society.
Ehav4Ever
Well-Known Member
The way has already been shown. It is just a matter of people doing what the Source of creation has already established. We humans have already been built with the ability to change our own hearts and improve our reality.
Ehav4Ever
Well-Known Member
Hey that is a good alternate plan.
Personally I see we should submit to the Will of G_d for us all and embrace the Covenant as one people.
That is me though.
Have a most great day and stay happy, Regards Tony
Just by being human we are all one people.
A person doesn't need a religion or a religious view to know that. Also, just like at any job humans have various functions and we all live in various climates and locals - the Torah from Mount Sinai is the skill set of Jews as well as the climate and local of Torah based Jews. All the nations of the world have their own skill set. If we stick to that, in a realistic way, things will work out for the best.
A great do to you also.
Firstly, if this is not answered correctly, sorry before we start!
Isaiah 9:6-7 has been quoted by many Baha'i Scholars the first may have been Thomas Kelly Cheyne (1841–1915), who became a Baha'i during the time of Abdul'baha's ministry.
Shoghi Effendi has quoted this in His Writings, as such this is now Baha'i Authoritive Scripture.
".....He was moreover a descendant of Jesse …To Him Isaiah, the greatest of the Jewish prophets, had alluded as the “Glory of the Lord,”[6:3, 10:16, 35:2, 40:5, 58:8, 59:19, 60:1] the “Everlasting Father,” [9:6] the “Prince of Peace,” [9:6] the “Wonderful,” [9:6] the “Counsellor,” [9:6] the “Rod come forth out of the stem of Jesse” [11:1] and the “Branch grown out of His roots,” [11:1] Who “shall be established upon the throne of David,” [9:7] Who “will come with strong hand,” [40:10] Who “shall judge among the nations,” [2:4] Who “shall smite the earth with the rod of His mouth, and with the breath of His lips slay the wicked,” [11:4] and Who “shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.” [11:12] Of Him David had sung in his Psalms, acclaiming Him as the “Lord of Hosts” and the “King of Glory.” – Shoghi Effendi, God Passes By, p. 94. (with scriptural references inserted in brackets)
Baha'u'llah often quotes Isaiah and proclaims what is written in Isaiah is about the Message he is giving, in passages such as this;
"...This is the Father foretold by Isaiah, and the Comforter concerning Whom the Spirit had covenanted with you. Open your eyes, O concourse of bishops, that ye may behold your Lord seated upon the Throne of might and glory. – The Summons of the Lord of Hosts, p. 63. (emphasis added)
"Isaiah saith: "The Lord alone shall be exalted in that Day." Concerning the greatness of the Revelation He saith: "Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of His majesty." And in another connection He saith: "The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose. It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the splendor of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the Lord, and the splendor of our God."
Baha'u'llah also say Isaiah talks of Christ and said of those that failed to turn to Christ, "They failed to attain His presence, notwithstanding that His advent had been promised them in the Book of Isaiah as well as in the Books of the Prophets and the Messengers."
Regards Tony
Well done and well clarified.
Then it can be seen now that there are two more faiths associated with the Holy land, that of Muhammad and that of the Baha'i. It may be they offer the same challenge.
Regards Tony
You do know that you have to click in to hear. Just do not click the button if you do not want to hear.
Or maybe you wish to offer your specific crap?
Regards Tony
I wonder what will soften the heart, if it is not that we are one people under One God?
Regards Tony
Jesus came to give his life for our sins not to overthrow Rome. The Pharisees based their idea on who the Messiah would be on their traditions not on the Scriptures.
This is also why it is called the 'Day of God'. This is also why Baha'u'llah (Glory of God) has now explained in detail how it is that God Manifests to Humanity. The Messenger is the 'Self of God' amongst us, all we can know of God.
That is what Christ, as the Son, returned as the "Father" had to tell us, God is unknowable, all we can know of God is the Messengers. All praise we give to God, reverts to praise of what we know of the Messenger, not what we know of God.
Big topic, if you wish to explore, this is a link to thoughts as to what we can know of God The God of Bahá'u'lláh
Regards Tony
Just by being human we are all one people.
A person doesn't need a religion or a religious view to know that. Also, just like at any job humans have various functions and we all live in various climates and locals - the Torah from Mount Sinai is the skill set of Jews as well as the climate and local of Torah based Jews. All the nations of the world have their own skill set. If we stick to that, in a realistic way, things will work out for the best.
A great do to you also.
I see we have to become more than human, to act as one people.
Regards Tony
This is relevant to many replies given and puts passages to compare what God is being talked about.
There is but one God
Hebrew Bible
Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I [am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there is] no God.12
I [am] the Lord, and [there is] none else, [there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that [there is] none beside me. I [am] the Lord , and [there is] none else.13
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God [is] one Lord.14
New Testament
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.10
As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol [is] nothing in the world, and that [there is] none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him.11
Quran
There is no god but He: that is the witness of God, His angels and those endued with knowledge . . . There is no god but He the Exalted in Power the Wise.6
Allah hath said: Choose not two gods. There is only One God. So of Me, Me only, be in awe.7
Your God is One God; there is no God save Him, the Beneficent, the Merciful.8
And cry not unto any other god along with God. There is no God save him. Everything will perish save His countenance.9
Bahá’u’lláh
God witnesseth that there is no God but Him, the Gracious, the Best-Beloved.4
My tongue, and My heart, and My inner and My outer being testify that there is no God but Him, that all others have been created by His behest, and been fashioned through the operation of His Will. There is none other God but Him, the Creator . . .5
Regards Tony
There is but one God
Hebrew Bible
Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I [am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there is] no God.12
I [am] the Lord, and [there is] none else, [there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that [there is] none beside me. I [am] the Lord , and [there is] none else.13
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God [is] one Lord.14
New Testament
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.10
As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol [is] nothing in the world, and that [there is] none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him.11
Quran
There is no god but He: that is the witness of God, His angels and those endued with knowledge . . . There is no god but He the Exalted in Power the Wise.6
Allah hath said: Choose not two gods. There is only One God. So of Me, Me only, be in awe.7
Your God is One God; there is no God save Him, the Beneficent, the Merciful.8
And cry not unto any other god along with God. There is no God save him. Everything will perish save His countenance.9
Bahá’u’lláh
God witnesseth that there is no God but Him, the Gracious, the Best-Beloved.4
My tongue, and My heart, and My inner and My outer being testify that there is no God but Him, that all others have been created by His behest, and been fashioned through the operation of His Will. There is none other God but Him, the Creator . . .5
Regards Tony