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How would the Buddha answer me?

ValdresRose

Member
My nephew is adamant that in the Christian Bible it say that taking one's own life is condemnation to his interpretation of Hell. The Bible was written by wealthy men who were slave owners and didn't want their slave ending their lives. Is it a condemnation and/or a sign of very low self worth, if I choose to terminate my life if I become terminally ill?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
My nephew is adamant that in the Christian Bible it say that taking one's own life is condemnation to his interpretation of Hell. The Bible was written by wealthy men who were slave owners and didn't want their slave ending their lives. Is it a condemnation and/or a sign of very low self worth, if I choose to terminate my life if I become terminally ill?
Best answer is complete silence.
 

ValdresRose

Member
This sutta should be helpful: if you have any questions, ask.
SuttaCentral

Thanks. Yes, I do have questions: How does Mahamudra - the 4 Seals, resolve this conflict, that being, is it a sin in Christian religions to terminate one's own life when the authors of the Bible put the condemnation in the book to protect their own slave property? And does it violate the Buddhist principle of stains by ignorance when a person knows they're life is going to end and they choose to terminate their life before natural causes end it?
 
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ValdresRose

Member
Best answer is complete silence.

Thanks. For such a fundamental question that all human kind deals with do you really, honestly believe that Siddhartha Gautama, the Buddha, would remain silent? Would it be fair to say that within each of us there is a Buddha? And we would be silent on the subject of voluntary life termination?
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
Thanks. Yes, I do have questions: How does Mahamudra - the 4 Seals, resolve this conflict, that being, is it a sin in Christian religions to terminate one's own life when the authors of the Bible put the condemnation in the book to protect their own slave property?
The Four Seals (which is a Mahayana thing, not a Theravada thing) don't have anything to do with it, imo. (As an aside, human trafficking/slave trade is considered to be Wrong Livelihood of the Eightfold Path)
And does it violate the Buddhist principle of stains by ignorance when a person knows they're life is going to end and they choose to terminate their life before natural caused end it?
It would depend on the momentum from the state of mind at the moment of death.
 

ajay0

Well-Known Member
I found this link on the Buddhist perspective of suicide useful...

Buddhism And Suicide: Death Doesn’t End the Cycle of Suffering

“According to the Buddhist teaching of cause and effect, since one does not realise the truth of all phenomena, or does not practise to be liberated from life and death, suicide is pointless. When one’s karmic retribution is not exhausted, death by suicide only leads to another cycle of rebirth. This is why Buddhists do not support suicide; and instead, encourage constructive living, using this life to diligently practise good, thus changing the present and the future for the better.”

-Chan Master Sheng Yen

“Some people commit suicide; they seem to think that there is suffering simply because there is the human life, and that by cutting off the life there will be nothing… But, according to the Buddhist viewpoint, that’s not the case; your consciousness will continue. Even if you take your own life, this life, you will have to take another body that again will be the basis of suffering. If you really want to get rid of all your suffering, all the difficulties you experience in your life, you have to get rid of the fundamental cause (greed, hatred and delusion) that gives rise to the aggregates that are the basis of all suffering. Killing yourself isn’t going to solve your problems.”

-His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama


“Taking one’s own life under any circumstances is morally and spiritually wrong. Taking one’s own life owing to frustration or disappointment only causes greater suffering. Suicide is a cowardly way to end one’s problems of life. A person cannot commit suicide if his mind is pure and tranquil. If one leaves this world with a confused and frustrated mind, it is most unlikely that he would be born again in a better condition. Suicide is an unwholesome or unskilful act since it is encouraged by a mind filled with greed, hatred and delusion. Those who commit suicide have not learnt how to face their problems, how to face the facts of life, and how to use their mind in a proper manner. Such people have not been able to understand the nature of life and worldly conditions.”


-Venerable K. Sri Dhammananda
 

ValdresRose

Member
Thank you. As I am a beginner to the group there will be mistakes in how to post and how to phrase a new thread. Your guidance will be appreciated.
 
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ValdresRose

Member
I found this link on the Buddhist perspective of suicide useful...

Buddhism And Suicide: Death Doesn’t End the Cycle of Suffering

Ajay0, please do not use the "S" word. A better choice is life termination. I know, - a rose is a rose.... but the "S" word carries certain negative connotations. When a person chooses to terminate their life as a result of extreme suffering through medical conditions the process of karma does not apply, unless that person has a very low self worth. It is perhaps not possible for a person who has worthiness to terminate there life, why would a person who values their life terminate it? A person who has a very low self worth entertains thoughts of life terminate almost every day.

When a healthy minded person has a cancer tumor that is pushing against their spinal cord and endures unbearable pain the only remedy for relief is to use morphine. In that case the brain is virtually dead, only the body sustains itself.

As a Buddhist, condemnation to Hell doesn't apply since Hell doesn't exist. But to a grown person who is a "born again Christian" it does apply. So how would the Buddha respond?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
My nephew is adamant that in the Christian Bible it say that taking one's own life is condemnation to his interpretation of Hell.
In Catholicism, we are taught not to judge, plus there can be reasons that a person may commit suicide that may not be held against them. My son tried twice, my one granddaughter at least seven times that we know of, and both suffer from bipolar disorder. Our son is 48 and owns his own business, and our 21 year old granddaughter just graduated from her university with a degree in chemistry/mathematics combo and will be starting grad school next fall.

Both are now doing better with the b/p disorder, but we still say our prayers.
 

syo

Well-Known Member
My nephew is adamant that in the Christian Bible it say that taking one's own life is condemnation to his interpretation of Hell. The Bible was written by wealthy men who were slave owners and didn't want their slave ending their lives. Is it a condemnation and/or a sign of very low self worth, if I choose to terminate my life if I become terminally ill?
Death always comes. Why hurry??? Eat lots of icecream.

In my opinion, society should do all the favours of terminally ill people. Free food, free travel, etc. PlayStation games. Death will come, you don't want to hurry it, WHY???
 

ajay0

Well-Known Member
Ajay0, please do not use the "S" word. A better choice is life termination. I know, - a rose is a rose.... but the "S" word carries certain negative connotations. When a person chooses to terminate their life as a result of extreme suffering through medical conditions the process of karma does not apply, unless that person has a very low self worth.

There is a spiritual process called Sallekhana in Jainism and Prayopavesa in Hinduism wherein a person disabled by extreme senility or very poor health conditions due to disease commits suicide by fasting. This is only allowed only in cases of terminal disease or great disability especially in old age.

This is allowed because a healthy body is needed for performing one's material and spiritual duties. If the person is diseased his duty then is to restore his health through all means possible. If however this proves to be impossible, especially due to old age, the person does not incur karma by committing suicide by fasting. Such a death is also a spiritual austerity in itself adding merit due to the self-restraint and self-discipline involved in denial of bodily comforts and endurance.


However the young and healthy are not supposed to commit suicide as that would be tantamount to cowardice which is considered a sin. It is only the elderly and terminally diseased in a critically weakened state who can perform sallekhan/prayopavesa.

Those who are suffering from mental illhealth or depression should strive to gain their mental health back through practice of mindfulness, virtue and approved practices. This is their duty and willfully escaping from one's duty due to cowardice is considered sinful.


It is perhaps not possible for a person who has worthiness to terminate there life, why would a person who values their life terminate it? A person who has a very low self worth entertains thoughts of life terminate almost every day.

When a healthy minded person has a cancer tumor that is pushing against their spinal cord and endures unbearable pain the only remedy for relief is to use morphine. In that case the brain is virtually dead, only the body sustains itself.

Endurance of pain equanimously is a spiritual austerity in itself. I know of cancer patients undergoing surgery who did so practicing meditation or vipassana. This enabled them to endure the rigors of surgery and treatment better and gain spiritual merit in the process.

Generally in most religions, patient endurance of disease or ill-health is said to be meritorious and wipes out negative karma.

As a Buddhist, condemnation to Hell doesn't apply since Hell doesn't exist. But to a grown person who is a "born again Christian" it does apply. So how would the Buddha respond?

Hellish worlds has been described in Buddhism. Imo, the state of your mind, strong or weak, positive or negative, attracts similar circumstances after death.

However unlike Christianity, these hellish conditions are of a temporary nature and not permanent. You are only sowing what you reap, and no one has sowed infinite bad karma to reap eternal hell.

If a person can die mindfully, it is considered to be very auspicious and meritorious. But most people become unconscious then mainly due to fearful imagination and terror of death. Steady and diligent practice of mindfulness can enable a person to be mindful to the very end and even in death.

Death is considered to be a very beautiful process when it is experienced mindfully.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
As a Buddhist, condemnation to Hell doesn't apply since Hell doesn't exist. But to a grown person who is a "born again Christian" it does apply. So how would the Buddha respond?
There are hell realms in Buddhism. They are just impermanent, like everything else.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
My nephew is adamant that in the Christian Bible it say that taking one's own life is condemnation to his interpretation of Hell. The Bible was written by wealthy men who were slave owners and didn't want their slave ending their lives. Is it a condemnation and/or a sign of very low self worth, if I choose to terminate my life if I become terminally ill?
Wouldn't the Buddha tell you that life is an illusion? There is no Boddhi tree.
 
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