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Question to christians

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Yes... I have to update my terms... when I say "man", I mean mankind (male and female)
Aha, man=mankind, that is a kind idea, females can live with that I guess:D

I'm not sure about Human plus love. I see love as a spiritual aspect. How do you process the idea? Maybe that will help me.
Yes, that one is a bit tricky. What is meant by "soul".
When I think of love in connection to "soul", what comes to mind is "Kind soul"...hahaha...."mankind" and "kind soul"

I did not write "Love" (capitalized) which I usually do, but I wrote "love", so that is more the human version of love, not the Divine Love version

Question: How do you define "Soul" in the picture?
Question: Did you create/invent this picture yourself?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Aha, man=mankind, that is a kind idea, females can live with that I guess:D

:) Man... and wo"man" (man with a womb?) don't know :)

Yes, that one is a bit tricky. What is meant by "soul".
When I think of love in connection to "soul", what comes to mind is "Kind soul"...hahaha...."mankind" and "kind soul"

I did not write "Love" (capitalized) which I usually do, but I wrote "love", so that is more the human version of love, not the Divine Love version

Question: How do you define "Soul" in the picture?
Question: Did you create/invent this picture yourself?

I like the analogy "man" "kind". :)

Your question is good. You may be helping me clarify my own mind.

I see the soul like a connector from the spirit to the body. If the spirit (no ego) is in control the ego-controlled body is sacrificed and put under subjection to the higher power (or person - God).

For me, soul is my mind, will and emotions. When it is spirit led - it magnifies God. When it is flesh led - it leads to a path of destruction.

There are lesser "love" - phileo, ergo, storge et al (Greek words) - but not necessarily bad love... depending if you are living in the spirit or in the flesh.

The picture was an adapted version that someone else used in trying to explain Father, The Word and the Holy Spirit. I adapted it to man(kind). :)
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
For me, soul is my mind, will and emotions. When it is spirit led - it magnifies God. When it is flesh led - it leads to a path of destruction.

There are lesser "love" - phileo, ergo, storge et al (Greek words) - but not necessarily bad love... depending if you are living in the spirit or in the flesh.
Aha, thanks. Yes, that's what I had in mind about "soul". Then the word "love" seems to fit. Indeed not negative 'bad love', not only 'bed love' either;)

Some other thoughts/words that come to mind, thinking of "soul":
Mind = Bundle of Thoughts (fed/fueled by the senses)
Discrimination = Power to distinguish and make the right decisions; select the needed thoughts and discard the others
Common Sense = Gained experiences one can use to make up one's mind in difficult situations
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Do you believe in the trinity?

Why? Why not?

Sure, and what's more, I believe in ALL the trinities
  1. God, Lord and Heavenly Father
  2. Father, Son and Holy Ghost
  3. Spirit, Water, and the Blood
  4. Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost
  5. The spirit and soul and body
  6. The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob
  7. God the Father, God the Mother, God the Son. Nazarene & Muslim
  8. God, Lord and Heavenly Father
  9. God, the Son and the Disciples
  10. The one, the intellect and the soul
  11. God was, God is and God will always be
Got any more?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
View attachment 46148 Because we were made in His image and in His likeness. In that we are a triune being... we can understand that God is a triune being. 1 THESS 5:23. You can substitute the circles with Father, The Word and Holy Spirit. Eloyhim is also plural - yet he is singular..

EDITED: For better understanding.

What's the difference between man being a soul and man being a spirit?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
What's the difference between man being a soul and man being a spirit?
That's a good question and, of course, we are using my limited mind to explain (as I understand it).

The spirit of man is that part which makes man an eternal being. It is that part that connects with the spiritual realm (including God).

The soul is what gives us personality (mind, will and emotions) and is the connector between the spiritual realm and the natural realm including our body. It processes both the natural explainable realm of what we see, smell, feel, touch and taste and that which is spiritual.

To the best of my ability, that is how I differentiate it.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Do you believe in the trinity? Why? Why not?
Why Not is because Jesus never taught he was God but to worship his God - John 4:23-24
Jesus did Not lie when he gave the answer about who he is at John 10:36.
Gospel writer John wrote that Jesus was "IN" the beginning but did Not write that Jesus was "BEFORE" the beginning.
Whereas, Psalms 90:2 says God is from everlasting meaning: God had No beginning, so only God was "BEFORE" the beginning of anything.
Plus, the resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus still thinks he has a God over him as per John at Revelation 3:12.
The resurrected heavenly Jesus appeared before the person of his God - Hebrews 9:24
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
What's the difference between man being a soul and man being a spirit?
I find in Genesis that Adam became a living soul - Genesis 2:7
Adam was fashioned or formed from the dust of the ground and did Not become a living soul or living person until his God breathed the 'breath of life' into life-less Adam.
So, Adam went from non-life, to life, and returned back to non-life, or in other words, sinner Adam became a dead soul, a life-less soul.
For the soul that sins dies - Ezekiel 18:4,20. Adam made himself a self-made sinner and the sinning soul or person dies.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 lets us know a person's spirit (it) returns to God who gave "it" gave the spirit, the spirit, the spark, the breath of life.
Just as God's spirit is a neuter "it" so is man's spirit - Numbers 11:17, 25; Romans 8:16,26.
( side note: newer king James, etc. changed the words it and itself to him and himself but that does Not make a neuter"it" a person)
Just as calling a car or a ship as a ' she ' does Not make "it" a person.
Thus, as a foreclosed house does Not move or go anywhere but simply returns back to the hands of the owner, one's spirit (it) returned back to God in the sense that all future life prospects is now in God's safe hands til Resurrection Day meaning: Jesus' Millennium-Long Day of governing over Earth.- Acts 24:15
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I find in Genesis that Adam became a living soul.

Adam was fashioned or formed from the dust of the ground and did Not become a living soul or living person until his God breathed the 'breath of life' into life-less Adam.

So, Adam went from non-life, to life, and returned back to non-life, or in other words, sinner Adam became a dead soul, a life-less soul.

For the soul that sins dies. Adam made himself a self-made sinner and the sinning soul or person dies.

( side note: newer king James, etc. changed the words it and itself to him and himself but that does Not make a neuter "it" a person)
Just as calling a car or a ship as a ' she ' does Not make "it" a person.

Thus, as a foreclosed house does Not move or go anywhere but simply returns back to the hands of the owner, one's spirit (it) returned back to God in the sense that all future life prospects is now in God's safe hands til Resurrection Day meaning: Jesus' Millennium-Long Day of governing over Earth.

Is there spirit in the bible according to how you interpret it?
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Rephrase? In your own words, please.
To me, in the English language the word "IT" stand for a neuter.
Just as a car or ship is a neuter "IT" even if a car or ship is called as a 'she', they still remain a neuter "IT".
The word"it" at Ecclesiastes 12:7 is written in connection to one's spirit being a neuter "it" and Not a person.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
To me, in the English language the word "IT" stand for a neuter.
Just as a car or ship is a neuter "IT" even if a car or ship is called as a 'she', they still remain a neuter "IT".
The word"it" at Ecclesiastes 12:7 is written in connection to one's spirit being a neuter "it" and Not a person.

It is a pronoun that replaces an actual noun. The word spirit isn't a person and doesn't describe anything (like John-human being or car to a four door vehicle). So what is the noun that It replaces?
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
It is a pronoun that replaces an actual noun. The word spirit isn't a person and doesn't describe anything (like John-human being or car to a four door vehicle). So what is the noun that It replaces?
Huh? spirit "it' is the noun at Ecclesiastes 12:7. The spirit (it). It stands for the word spirit, the spirit is it.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
That's a good question and, of course, we are using my limited mind to explain (as I understand it).

The spirit of man is that part which makes man an eternal being. It is that part that connects with the spiritual realm (including God).

The soul is what gives us personality (mind, will and emotions) and is the connector between the spiritual realm and the natural realm including our body. It processes both the natural explainable realm of what we see, smell, feel, touch and taste and that which is spiritual.

To the best of my ability, that is how I differentiate it.

I wonder why it would be call a soul in the religious sense, since what you describe also is the definition of the psyche or ego.

As for spirit, would you dumb it down to "life-force?" (Trying to strip it of biblical jargon)
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
View attachment 46148 Because we were made in His image and in His likeness. In that we are a triune being... we can understand that God is a triune being. 1 THESS 5:23. You can substitute the circles with Father, The Word and Holy Spirit. Eloyhim is also plural - yet he is singular..

EDITED: For better understanding.
Man is a physical body and a non physical spirit. The soul and the body are really the same thing. Adam became a living soul. The same word translated as soul is also translated as animal or beast or body. Mam is a body and a spirit. God is a father and a son. Both are dualities not trinities.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
I wonder why it would be call a soul in the religious sense, since what you describe also is the definition of the psyche or ego.

As for spirit, would you dumb it down to "life-force?" (Trying to strip it of biblical jargon)
Psychology - defined - study of the soul. I don't think it is necessarily translated as a "religious sense". There are many subjects that are secular but still biblical... or biblical but still used secular.

Understand trying to not making in "christianese". I suppose you could use "life-force"... but it might be lessen the reality of what it is. Maybe we can liken it to a man in a space suit. The space suit is our body that lets us operate in this physical world but the real you is your spirit man. The body is the visible expression of who you are?

I guess I'm am limited in my vocabulary to correctly express it.
 
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