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Gravity and the Expanding Universe

rrobs

rrobs

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Subduction Zone said:
Do we need to be? And your claim was shown to be wrong so you had to grasp at straws. Just own up to your mistake that some scientific ideas do hang around for quite some time. By the way, Darwin's work was amazingly accurate considering how little data he had to work with. We know more now than when he wrote his theory, and aspects of it have been corrected, but the main gist of it has been confirmed.
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I feel sorry for anybody who considers their life and intelligence an accident. All hale to Darwin!
 
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rrobs

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shunyadragon said:
I hope science can potentially resolve the Global Warming problem, but it will be a wait and see how much global cooperation we can get in the future.
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I thought science had determined many years ago that it was already to late. Why then do we keep hammering on ourselves to change? Either they were wrong about it being too late or they're wrong on continuing with pointless efforts. The reality of the situation?.....I just don't know. The whole thing might qualify as never letting a good crisis go to waste.
 
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ecco said:
That is exactly the attitude that is dangerous to the world and the people. The science can do nothing as long as there are people who are more concerned about some hoped for eternity than they are about keeping this earth viable.

You and your descendants will rot in the ground just as all living things have done long before anyone ever heard of your gods.

It's really sad that some lives are so messed up that people have only some imagined future to look forward to.
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You may be jumping to conclusions. I have plenty to look forward in the here and now. I look forward to every day that I can walk with the Lord Jesus on this earth. I didn't always walk with him, so I can appreciate the difference. It's interesting that those who have only been on one side of the fence knows what's on the other.

I know that people will not go away until he appears again to clean set up a new heaven and a new earth. Global warming will not kill off all people and leave the earth intact.

This is what God told Noah:

Gen 8:22,

While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.
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Until Jesus reappears, there will never be an earth without people. Somebody has to plant seed and harvest. That would be people. Science may say other wise, but as I have pointed out many times, about half of science in the past has been proven wrong. What indication do we have that that will not be the case in the future? If history is a guide, we have no indication of that whatsoever.

And yes, my descendants and I will rot in the ground if Jesus does not reappear before we die. So what! He'll raise us up from the dead with brand new incorruptible bodies.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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rrobs said:
You may be jumping to conclusions. I have plenty to look forward in the here and now. I look forward to every day that I can walk with the Lord Jesus on this earth. I didn't always walk with him, so I can appreciate the difference. It's interesting that those who have only been on one side of the fence knows what's on the other.

I know that people will not go away until he appears again to clean set up a new heaven and a new earth. Global warming will not kill off all people and leave the earth intact.

This is what God told Noah:

Gen 8:22,

While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.
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Until Jesus reappears, there will never be an earth without people. Somebody has to plant seed and harvest. That would be people. Science may say other wise, but as I have pointed out many times, about half of science in the past has been proven wrong. What indication do we have that that will not be the case in the future? If history is a guide, we have no indication of that whatsoever.

And yes, my descendants and I will rot in the ground if Jesus does not reappear before we die. So what! He'll raise us up from the dead with brand new incorruptible bodies.
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But we know that Noah is a myth. He never existed, at least nowhere close to the Bible story. It would be wise to try to understand how we know this.
 
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rrobs

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URAVIP2ME said:
I think Earth will support people for eternity because 'Earth abides forever' according to Ecclesiastes 1:4 B.
Adam was only offered everlasting life on Earth. Earth was Not a stepping stone to another place.
Earth is Not at fault for what Satan and Adam did.
Jesus was sent Not to do away with Earth, but to undo the damage Satan and Adam brought upon humanity on Earth.
Known science ( and many churches ) teach an end to Earth, but we don't yet know all that God has in store for us.
What we do know is that God does Not have an end to Earth in His mind for us.
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Good points. The scriptures say that Jesus will gather us together and that we will be with him from that point on.

1Thess 4:16-17,

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.​

Wherever Jesus will be, we will be with him. Where will Jesus be? The Book of Revelation makes it crystal clear that he will be on earth. In fact, he will be the ruler of the earth. If he's on earth and we're with him, then we will be on earth also. The whole idea of floating around on a cloud playing a harp for eternity is Greek mythology. And I'm glad to have seen that in the scriptures. I'd hate to end up floating around on a cloud playing a harp for eternity!

Thanks
 
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Subduction Zone said:
But we know that Noah is a myth. He never existed, at least nowhere close to the Bible story. It would be wise to try to understand how we know this.
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What's this "we?" I'm not we. Just because you "know" Noah is a myth does not mean I also know. Quite the opposite.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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rrobs said:
What's this "we?" I'm not we. Just because you "know" Noah is a myth does not mean I also know. Quite the opposite.
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Anybody that can reason rationally above an elementary school level is the "we" that I am talking about. It does not bode well for those that do not understand this.
 
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rrobs

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Subduction Zone said:
Anybody that can reason rationally above an elementary school level is the "we" that I am talking about. It does not bode well for those that do not understand this.
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I would think anybody who can organize thoughts and put them to paper would be considered rational. I guess your view of rationality is anything that agrees with your point of view. Narrow minded comes to mind.

Remember, I also once thought exactly like you. Then, having been presented with the truth, I changed. I think I have a good handle on rationality.
 
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rrobs

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Subduction Zone said:
It is life's reaction to an ever changing environment.
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That doesn't tell me if you think life's reaction is planned or chance.

I take you to be an intelligent individual and that you know darn well that the THEORY of evolution is all about chance mutations.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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rrobs said:
I would think anybody who can organize thoughts and put them to paper would be considered rational. I guess your view of rationality is anything that agrees with your point of view. Narrow minded comes to mind.

Remember, I also once thought exactly like you. Then, having been presented with the truth, I changed. I think I have a good handle on rationality.
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No, rational thinking involves much more than that. One has to be willing to look at and understand the evidence. I have yet to meet a creationist that is not afraid of the concept of evidence. They know that evidence is their enemy.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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rrobs said:
That doesn't tell me if you think life's reaction is planned or chance.

I take you to be an intelligent individual and that you know darn well that the THEORY of evolution is all about chance mutations.
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It is neither. You are pushing a false dichotomy.

And you the fact that chance is part of something does not necessarily make the results random. There are elements of evolution that demonstrate this. Have you heard of convergent evolution? The natural pressures of environments will cause unrelated organisms to look similar at times. Look at the body shapes of Mososaurs, sharks, and dolphins. Their shapes are not due to "chance".
 
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rrobs

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Subduction Zone said:
It is neither. You are pushing a false dichotomy.

And you the fact that chance is part of something does not necessarily make the results random. There are elements of evolution that demonstrate this. Have you heard of convergent evolution? The natural pressures of environments will cause unrelated organisms to look similar at times. Look at the body shapes of Mososaurs, sharks, and dolphins. Their shapes are not due to "chance".
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Yes, I have heard of convergent evolution. It is a THEORY.
 
rrobs

rrobs

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Subduction Zone said:
No it is an observation. But thanks for admitting that it is correct.
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Speaking of observation, nobody has ever observed convergent evolution, or any evolution for that matter. Specifically. nobody has ever observed one genus evolving into another.

We can see species evolving, but that is in perfect accord with Genesis where everything was made "after its kind." The word kind in the Greek bible is "genus." A dog, despite hundreds of varieties, are none the less all members of the genus canis and a canis will never produce anything but another canis. That we have observed and therefore accords with the scientific method.
 
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