We Are Alone in the Universe!

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Vice versa. That's Latin

O, quam callidus.

That's Latin, too. I studied it.

 

[Polymath257]

Just because a planet is in a so-called Goldilocks zone doesn't mean that life will evolve there. The whole Goldilocks Zone is subjective

Agreed, it's a first filter. But it is a reasonable first filter in the search for life or the evaluation of how common life is. How many of those have we tested for life?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why are you blindly incapable of seeing that absolutely nobody you are arguing against has made the "positive claim" you refer to. Not one. They have nothing to prove because they claimed nothing. You did.

When one makes a positive claim and has no evidence to support it shifting the burden of proof with strawman arguments is very often the preferred strategy.

 

[Ratt Blastard]

Really? You have evidence that neither exist? Please provide it. I am sure that people will be interested in seeing it.

Again. i don't have to prove that God doesn't exist, you do.

 

[Subduction Zone]

O, quam callidus.

That's Latin, too. I studied it.

Me too:

Alter trahere ad se, hoc est de campanis.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Again. i don't have to prove that God doesn't exist, you do.

Nope, I never made such a claim.

Try again.

 

[Ratt Blastard]

Why are you blindly incapable of seeing that absolutely nobody you are arguing against has made the "positive claim" you refer to. Not one. They have nothing to prove because they claimed nothing. You did.

I made no such positive claim. I said "Aliens do not exist", that is a negative claim.

 

[Ratt Blastard]

Nope, I never made such a claim.

Try again.

Do aliens exist?

 

[ChristineM]

Just because a planet is in a so-called Goldilocks zone doesn't mean that life will evolve there. The whole Goldilocks Zone is subjective

No, the "Goldilocks" zone is the volume of space around a sun that can support liquid water,.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

In 1900 there was no evidence of black holes. So I guess they didn't exist until what...1916?

That leaves a hole for a lot of goobily goblins to exist, no?

 

[ChristineM]

I made no such positive claim. I said "Aliens do not exist", that is a negative claim.

That is a positive claim that aliens don't exist

 

[Subduction Zone]

Do aliens exist?

I don't know. I am not saying yes or no. We do not have enough evidence to make a reasonable declaration either way. Though I would say that it appears to be likely. But that is more personal prejudice than math.

 

[Polymath257]

I made no such positive claim. I said "Aliens do not exist", that is a negative claim.

Which would be inappropriate to make until a thorough investigation has been made.

For example, if I want to claim there are no large mammals in South America, it would be necessary for me to do at least a survey of the animals in South America before making that claim.

Has such an investigation been made in regard to alien life?

 

[Polymath257]

Do aliens exist?

I do not know.

I would *bet* that life exists elsewhere in our galaxy based on what we know. I would *bet* that multicellular life exists elsewhere in our galaxy.

I would bet that other technological life does NOT exist elsewhere in our galaxy right now, but probably has existed and will exist again.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I made no such positive claim. I said "Aliens do not exist", that is a negative claim.

Now there you are 100% incorrect. Even though it contains a negative ("not") it is a positive claim about what the universe contains -- or does not. It is exactly equivalent to saying "there's no such thing as a spaghetti monster." That is, like it or not, a positive claim.

So there is your first hurdle -- conquer the language of logic before you try to use it.

 

[ecco]

This isn't just about that lack of evidence that intelligent alien life but the ample evidence that intelligent alien life does not exist.

But look what it took for life on earth to evolve, all the phenomena that it took to just to get a few amino acid going. What are the chances of that being replicated over and over again throughout the whole universe?

Life is still not inevitable no matter how much time or material you have.

Prove it. Just because life evolved here prove then it did evolved at least evolved to our level on another planet. No, prove to me that single cell organisms have evolved on other planets.

but hitting the numbers a trillion times. That is some crazy and it is not going to happen.

And here we are. It means nothing.

It's very obvious that the OP is nothing more than a thinly disguised attack on evolution.

Golly,
{Stated}Just look at the incredible odds against life occurring elsewhere. {Implied} And since elsewhere is just like herewhere, it couldn't have occurred naturally here either.​

You can tell when one starts asking for "proof". That's a sure sign that they are trying to sidestep science.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It's very obvious that the OP is nothing more than a thinly disguised attack on evolution.

Golly,
{Stated}Just look at the incredible odds against life occurring elsewhere. {Implied} And since elsewhere is just like herewhere, it couldn't have occurred naturally here either.​

You can tell when one starts asking for "proof". That's a sure sign that they are trying to sidestep science.

Darn, I'm just too trusting. I never think to look for ulterior motives. (That's true, by the way.)

 

[Quagmire]

And so far there are a trillion cases that intelligent life cases have not evolve. . . ..

Could you list those?

 

[Polymath257]

In 1900 there was no evidence of black holes. So I guess they didn't exist until what...1916?

To be fair, there wasn't evidence of black holes in 1916 either. There was a theoretical possibility at that point, but no actual evidence.

The first candidate black hole was Cygnus X-1 in 1971. It was not confirmed until 1990. The first images of black holes came later still.

 

[oldbadger]

There is absolutely no evidence that intelligent and/or complex life exists elsewhere in the universe. So we must assume that we are alone in the universe and must be the only intelligent life that exist in it. Couple that with the fact that God does not exist, I feel somewhat sad and more convince that life is indeed absurd.

I think that the universe is teeming with life.
But you are free to have your opinions as well.