If animals can talk to each other, then why can't they pray to God ?
But can they really, or are they just going by their instincts (by program), without conscious mind?
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If animals can talk to each other, then why can't they pray to God ?
True. I think it's ravens who will work together to distract a predator from their kill so they can grab it. Cuttlefish also have a trick where they sort of "vibrate" the colors of their body in order to confuse a potential meal into wondering what the heck is going on - sort of mesmerizing them. There is also a particular type of wasp (I think) that sees the males of the species pretending to be females (by mimicking particular movements) in order to distract other males so that they don't mate with a female that the male pulling the trick just mated with - thereby ensuring his seed is the one that gets the job done. I suppose I was thinking more along the lines of lies or falsehoods told about more abstract concepts. Animals' "lying" would be restricted to behaviors that rewarded them with some kind of perceived need, I would wager. So more akin to stealing.
I had a dream once of my cat doing a documentary about humans and their strange behavior with toilet water. I will never forget his accent... It was so funny, but so true!
"I don't understand how these humans, presented with a pure source of water, just come along and befoul it!"
I've said it before, we need a tongue-in-cheek emoji.How came you know this ?
When animals told this to you about ?
If animals can talk to each other, then why can't they pray to God ?
Good question. I guess the first thing that would make this hard to know would be determining whether or not they were even aware of God.If animals can talk to each other, then why can't they pray to God ?
If god is real why wouldn't they?Good question. I guess the first thing that would make this hard to know would be determining whether or not they were even aware of God.
If god is real why wouldn't they?
For all those who seem to think that any non-human animals might have any concepts of God or anything similar, and hence some behaviour related to prayer, please explain the process by which this occurs, since it does seem to be quite a leap from many other behaviours and beliefs we humans seem to have in common with other life forms.
I don't know. I suppose it's possible. After all, I have a tremendous love for all animals and I find them to be very amazing. Maybe they do have a sense of connection with their Creator and communicate with Him. I wouldn't entirely discount the possibility.If god is real why wouldn't they?
I wouldn't be the one to answer that, given that I haven't done so since a child, and I'm not even sure I did so then.Before we head down that road, what behaviors definitively, exclusively, and exhaustively demonstrate prayer in humans?
I wouldn't be the one to answer that, given that I haven't done so since a child, and I'm not even sure I did so then.
But I assume prayer commonly means asking for some outcome, whether for oneself, for others, or for a change in some particular matter. I'm sure it might mean many other things though. It seems to me that what some seem to mean here is that a non-human animal does recognise some greater power, and perhaps having some control over their lives, such that they recognise their subordinancy and beg for something just as humans might. I would like to know how this might occur.
And someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but prayer isn't exclusively made to solicit of a higher power to which one is subordinate.
People usually tell us that they are praying or have prayed. Not sure any other animals have spoken up yet as to this effect. And not sure there is any purpose in prayer other than to some entity that might effect what one prays for, apart from how such affects the one who prays - but that is mostly incidental, surely? If it isn't to such then surely it isn't prayer?Can these actions be measured? What outward evidence is there that someone is praying?
And someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but prayer isn't exclusively made to solicit of a higher power to which one is subordinate.
There is no need for animals to pray to God, because God communicates with them. This is shown in Genesis 7:8-9. Where, Noah didn't gather the animals, they were sent to him by God…Also, in 1 Kings 17:1-6, God feeds Elijah through ravens. Now, this doesn't mean that God is in regular interactions with animals, but it shows that communications did occur…Maybe, more than we realize and what is actually recorded or what we want to believe!If animals can talk to each other, then why can't they pray to God ?
That is a wonderful attitude to have, but the creator is Her not HimI don't know. I suppose it's possible. After all, I have a tremendous love for all animals and I find them to be very amazing. Maybe they do have a sense of connection with their Creator and communicate with Him. I wouldn't entirely discount the possibility.
For the same reason you wouldn't be aware of something you haven't had opportunity to experience.
People usually tell us that they are praying or have prayed. Not sure any other animals have spoken up yet as to this effect. And not sure there is any purpose in prayer other than to some entity that might effect what one prays for, apart from how such affects the one who prays - but that is mostly incidental, surely? If it isn't to such then surely it isn't prayer?
I think that 'prayer in order to get something' gets too much recognition, while prayer for general worship/appreciation/reflection seems to be unheard of outside of religious crowds.
You read of studies done to measure the effects of 'prayer to get stuff'. Maybe it would be nice to see a study done on the effects of worshipful prayer/appreciative prayer/reflective prayer on the individual.