Looking outside your Box

[TransmutingSoul]

This thread was inspired by comments in an OP saying prople are in a box, if they offer some Faiths may have some incorrect doctrine.

So the Question we should consider in this debate could be;

Would not Doctrine form its own Box?

Consider doctrines are formed to explain the unknown.

So what if many Doctrines are not correct, but were formed around an aspect that is correct.

How can we change, if we can not consider that we may have to change?



Regards Tony

 

[SalixIncendium]

Would not Doctrine form its own Box?

Yes.

How can we change, if we can not consider that we may have to change?

We?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yes.
We?

Yes We.

No doubt that we all need to change our thoughts and the way we interact with each other.

We are part of the whole.

Regards Tony

 

[SalixIncendium]

Yes We.

No doubt that we all need to change our thoughts and the way we interact with each other.

We are part of the whole.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

This thread was inspired by comments in an OP saying prople are in a box, if they offer some Faiths may have some incorrect doctrine.

So the Question we should consider in this debate could be;

Would not Doctrine form its own Box?

Consider doctrines are formed to explain the unknown.

So what if many Doctrines are not correct, but were formed around an aspect that is correct.

How can we change, if we can not consider that we may have to change?

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Regards Tony

I think it's more having the ability to go outside your own field, (subconscious mind, religious indoctrination, mindset, box) and then turn around and have a fresh look.

Your wording 'incorrect doctrine' demonstrates this accurately. Inside a box of doctrine,there is always 'incorrect doctrine'. in other words, anything outside of your little box is labelled as incorrect. So why would you ever want to go where everything is incorrect? That giant step would be illogical.

But if you don't have that box drawn firmly around yourself where everything isn't seen in all the duality like good/bad, false/true, right/wrong ... well then that opens up an entire new world, where you can look objectively at all the various boxes, even though you have your own as well ... the others are seen as different boxes, not that horrible outside, to be feared.

 

[Vinayaka]

Who will last longer this time, you or me?

 

[Vinayaka]

Yes We.

No doubt that we all need to change our thoughts and the way we interact with each other.

We are part of the whole.

Regards Tony

Some folks don't. Please refrain from behaving like a prophet/messenger/messiah, and speak for yourself. Believe it or not, there are many folks on this planet that get along admirably with others.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Who will last longer this time, you or me?

I've made my point. Unless @Tony Bristow-Stagg can provide me examples of how I think or interact with others, I'll be bowing out.

 

[Vinayaka]

I've made my point. Unless @Tony Bristow-Stagg can provide me examples of how I think or interact with others, I'll be bowing out.

Good on you. I'm right behind you, most likely, unless by some weird phenomena unknown to either of us, there is even a single hint of a breakthrough.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

How can we change, if we can not consider that we may have to change?

When you considered that you may have to change, what conclusions did this lead you to about your own doctrinal "box?"

 

[sun rise]

Would not Doctrine form its own Box?

Yes. That's human nature. Our beliefs become a box and moving outside of it can be difficult even impossible for some.

I think it's more having the ability to go outside your own field, (subconscious mind, religious indoctrination, mindset, box) and then turn around and have a fresh look.

Yes.

Your wording 'incorrect doctrine' demonstrates this accurately. Inside a box of doctrine,there is always 'incorrect doctrine'.

I would not always use 'incorrect' but rather 'limited'. Certainly sometimes incorrect is accurate. But doctrine can also be partially true and partially incorrect. A fresh look could identify the valuable parts or circumstances from the unhelpful ones.

 

[stvdv]

So what if many Doctrines are not correct, but were formed around an aspect that is correct.

How can we change, if we can not consider that we may have to change?

IF I read between the words in your below quote then I find the answer to your above question

Consider doctrines are formed to explain the unknown.

@stvdvRF

 

[exchemist]

Yes We.

No doubt that we all need to change our thoughts and the way we interact with each other.

We are part of the whole.

Regards Tony

Er, why do you assume we need to change, then? I don't have any intention of changing, at my stage of life, thanks very much.

 

[osgart]

I think everyone will find some correct aspects of life. Even those that write doctrines will eventually touch on some aspects that are correct insights.

Life changing/divine aspects! Who can say?

I can't assume everyone is the same with regards to change.

To find hidden truths that are beyond the perceptions of many, or most in humanity. I'm not opposed to that possibility.

I think words ultimately fail at expressing hidden truths unless people are open to the possibility already.

Even people that do need to change will go merrily on their way to ruining their lives and never be cognizant of their failures.

People can live long, happy lives and never see an eternal divine picture of what love is that way. Many feel no sense of that.

Uncommon love is something I think is real. But it's the loneliest path I can think of.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I have to.

I must.

Blame it on my loss of control and self restraint.....

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I think it's more having the ability to go outside your own field, (subconscious mind, religious indoctrination, mindset, box) and then turn around and have a fresh look.

Your wording 'incorrect doctrine' demonstrates this accurately. Inside a box of doctrine,there is always 'incorrect doctrine'. in other words, anything outside of your little box is labelled as incorrect. So why would you ever want to go where everything is incorrect? That giant step would be illogical.

But if you don't have that box drawn firmly around yourself where everything isn't seen in all the duality like good/bad, false/true, right/wrong ... well then that opens up an entire new world, where you can look objectively at all the various boxes, even though you have your own as well ... the others are seen as different boxes, not that horrible outside, to be feared.

Sometimes things are incorrect, Some may see that are correct, that is a fact of Life.

Like Jesus the man that walked this earth is not God. The doctrine that made Jesus God, has been the cause much suffering and rejection of other faiths, it needs to be addressed.

How Jesus may be all we can know of God is another matter.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

We can indeed discuss that if you choose.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Some folks don't. Please refrain from behaving like a prophet/messenger/messiah, and speak for yourself. Believe it or not, there are many folks on this planet that get along admirably with others.

If one gets along with others then it must be a we interaction.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I've made my point. Unless @Tony Bristow-Stagg can provide me examples of how I think or interact with others, I'll be bowing out.

One has to interact with others to live this life.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

When you considered that you may have to change, what conclusions did this lead you to about your own doctrinal "box?"

I had to consider Islam was was from God, and Buddha, and Krishna and the list goes on.

I had to consider I was part of one human race and that women had equality with men.

I had to consider that doctrine restricts our mind, so how can we see and live faith not bound by doctrine?

All this while considering Truth is Realtive.

We all have a lot to learn.

Regards Tony