Gay Bashing

[nPeace]

The sources I read says a person's smell is one reasons people are attracted to each other. Their body scent. For example, when I'm attracted to a woman, I notice the difference between one woman's body scent from another. It's not a choice but each person has a response to who they are attracted to by their looks, I think I read about teeth, body language, and smell. Unfortunately, most studies since they were far back only deal with men to women but humans are attracted to other humans. Just scent tends to be one of the ways people are pulled to their mate-men/men, men/women, women/women alike.

Is that why some people are attracted to dogs, horses, cows, and even babies?
So all one has to do is put certain scents on an object and people won't be able to help that attraction?

 

[nPeace]

I was going back to our conversations. You were mentioning that sex is in the bible, which is fine. But then I was speaking of sexual orientation and physiology isn't in the bible but for some reason you said that everything we know about sex (I hope you mean procreation) is in the bible.

We can clarify it though. Were you saying that you can use the bible to find out about sexual attraction and the nature of it even though the topic hasn't been studied exclusively in the states till almost recently?

Sexual attraction in not like two magnets. Lust is a vice. This is what you are describing.
The Bible does tell us about sexual attraction that's virtuous - based on love.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How attraction works is why being gay in women is more of a choice. They are designed in ways that attraction to other women doesn't involve gender confusion or anything genetic like that.

Without evidence I will dismiss your claim.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Is that why some people are attracted to dogs, horses, cows, and even babies?
So all one has to do is put certain scents on an object and people won't be able to help that attraction?

What those studies are saying is it's a reason people are attracted to who they are attracted to. It's not the sole reason, but we humans to tend to emphasis and place a great deal of importance of smells. This includes the smell of a lover.

 

[Skywalker]

I don't know about gender, that's something Shadow can discuss. But women to women affection has nothing to do with their sexuality. They can choose to be affectionate with other women and culturally it differs based on personal space, but one's sexuality is the same in women as it is in men.

Affection of women is not sexuality-the physiological and psychological attraction to other women (and men to men, and men to women). Affection does differ by culture and as women are nurturers, yes; but that is irrelevant to one's sexual orientation.

I dont disagree with people who think its a sin, but why do people think its a sin? Is it directly or indirectly because they arent husband and wife? People dont say "not married" about gays. Maybe its a different quasi marital relationship. Im not saying gays cant get married, Im not trying to discuss that, I dont want to offend anyone. I was just discussing the issue of it being wrong.

 

[Skywalker]

I don't know about gender, that's something Shadow can discuss. But women to women affection has nothing to do with their sexuality. They can choose to be affectionate with other women and culturally it differs based on personal space, but one's sexuality is the same in women as it is in men.

Affection of women is not sexuality-the physiological and psychological attraction to other women (and men to men, and men to women). Affection does differ by culture and as women are nurturers, yes; but that is irrelevant to one's sexual orientation.

I agree that affection between has nothing to do with sexuality. But women to women affection is a manifestation of the same way of relating to people that influences lesbianism in situations where male homosexuality wouldnt be something people are attracted to.

Do you think universally women are more affectionate with other women than men are with other men? Either its because of femininity itself, estrogen, or maybe the nurturing role or eggs.

 

[Skywalker]

Without evidence I will dismiss your claim.

I apologize for using the term gender confusion. I didnt intend to judge anyone I was just using that term to describe something when talking about genetics.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I apologize for using the term gender confusion. I didnt intend to judge anyone I was just using that term to describe something when talking about genetics.

I know what you meant.
And I don't really put much stock into words. I focus on how they are used. Which is basically that there is a confusion there. There is not.

 

[Skywalker]

Sexual attraction in not like two magnets. Lust is a vice. This is what you are describing.
The Bible does tell us about sexual attraction that's virtuous - based on love.

is it directly or indirectly wrong because they arent husband and wife? Husband and wife means official relationship, not that they belong to each other, and everything outside of that is a sin for a reason that isnt directly that they arent husband and wife.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Is that why some people are attracted to dogs, horses, cows, and even babies?

I don't know. Babies are human, so I'm not sure the logistics but that's more understandable than dogs, horses, and cows.

The idea is humans are attracted to other humans by their scent and other factors. Many of the studies, because of age, are between men and women but studies are showing sexual attraction in general is not sex-based. The only difference between men and women is "how" they respond to the attraction based being a man or woman. But the attraction itself, most people have that. Asexuals near to none.

So all one has to do is put certain scents on an object and people won't be able to help that attraction?

No. It's a natural human ordor humans (like animals to other animals) give off that calls their mate. Here's another scientific outlook on it 13 biological factors that make you attracted to someone and Healthy, attractive teeth affect how someone is perceived by others

It's evolutionary. None of what I'm describing are things people "do." These are just how humans are born evolutionary wise.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Sexual attraction in not like two magnets. Lust is a vice. This is what you are describing.
The Bible does tell us about sexual attraction that's virtuous - based on love.

You don't believe humans are not unconsciously and biologically attracted to other humans?

Lust (love, puppy love, affection, et cetera) are all different forms of how people are attracted to each other based on context, culture, to physiology, biology, and human need for connection.

The bible does not mention sexual attraction just sexual behavior and what is meant by male and female communion. We don't even know if Adam and Eve were straight, gay, or bisexual. The bible doesn't talk about these things.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I dont disagree with people who think its a sin, but why do people think its a sin?

The action or the attraction?

People (believers) think sexual orientation is the "temptation" to lust; there is no love involved because love to them is based on one's sex more so than one's spirit in christ. Believers see same-sex action is a sin because they assume if two men or two women come together, they want to lust after each other while a man and a woman want's to make love. So, that bias distorts sexual behavior and how sexual behavior motives can be based on many reasons from spiritual, marital, to lust, and such. They're not focused on the couple's intent, just their sex-so that's why it's a sin.

Is it directly or indirectly because they arent husband and wife?

That's another factor, yes. Though many believers accept partnerships and civil unions but they don't want gay couples to consider themselves married. I can see it if the gay couple where christian but believers tend to think of it for all people not just for their peers.

People dont say "not married" about gays. Maybe its a different quasi marital relationship. Im not saying gays cant get married, Im not trying to discuss that, I dont want to offend anyone. I was just discussing the issue of it being wrong.

Civil unions and marriage are different in their intent and definition of connection between both parties. The word marriage is irrelevant (just as one's sex) to the nature of the marriage-the commitment between two people. As christians, regardless their sex, I would assume marriage would be ideal for people who want to commit to each other in a life long relationship.

My issue is how does one's sex deprive couples of this?

Maybe their heart? Whether they are christian or not? But their sex???

 

[Spirit of Light]

While I am a big fan of the Christian community, it nourishes me every day...
not everthing is as good as it should be, I think.

These days I see it as a fashion among Christians to bash homosexuals and call them "perverts" and "wicked". At least some do and the rest sometimes stays silent when it happens.

Normally Bible says "judge not" - so why do some Christians think it is ok to speak about gays and lesbians in such a disparaging manner?
Judging and condemning happened in the Bible. Paul judged Alexander, for instance. But before, he was getting attacked by Alexander. Homosexuals don't usually attack Christians even if some of them call the former "peril of the youth" - without providing the slightest substanciation for this weird claim of course. By substanciation I mean a Bible verse or a scientific study...

Paul even goes on to teach that people living in sexual sin should even be removed from the churches.*

But never Bible calls for the insulting of other minorities.

Pointing this out within the Christian communities sometimes gets tricky, too.
They say you were "the accuser of the brethren" or interrupted the peace inside of the community.
I sometimes even heard I was purportedly judging the ones who judge homosexuals.
Merely pointing out disparaging remarks judges noone, though. Criticising a statement does not mean criticising the person.

Thomas

Disclaimer: I am neutral towards whether the Bible considers homosexuality or its practice sinful.

* 1 Corinthians 5:7

Speaking from a straight persons view.
To insult someone because of gender, sexuality, race or any other topic show more about the one who do the insult then the one being insulted.

It is up to each person to live the way they see fit for them self, religious people have different guidelines according to what religion one follow, non believers has their own set of morally guidelines they follow.
And especially for religious people, it is much more important to look at one self and clean out once own faults, than blaming others for their behavior or views.
Always look within first, and if there is no good in the mind about others, keep silent. If there is compassion and benevolent thoughts of others its good to share them.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I agree that affection between has nothing to do with sexuality.

But women to women affection is a manifestation of the same way of relating to people that influences lesbianism in situations where male homosexuality wouldnt be something people are attracted to.

Since affection has nothing to do with sexuality, there is no correlation between it and homosexuality (lesbian, gay, so have you).

Women to women affection, since affection is not related to sexuality, they cannot "become lesbians" as a result of it.

Affection doesn't relate to, cause, or influence anyone to be lesbians. Girls and guys (regardless who is more or less) are affectionate with each other and at the same time can still talk about the opposite sex to whom they are attracted to. They don't turn lesbian or gay because of their affection.

But you'd have to rephrase the last sentence if I didn't catch it.

Do you think universally women are more affectionate with other women than men are with other men? Either its because of femininity itself, estrogen, or maybe the nurturing role or eggs.

Yes. I just know affectionate women doesn't make either lesbians. I don't see affection and sexuality the same way and related in respects of who someone is physiology and physiological attracted to as opposed to someone who just cuddles with her best friend and goes out the next day with her to watch the cute boys (lesbians don't do this).

 

[Skywalker]

Yes, I believe male and female do reflect different aspects of God. I think that is the reason that verse in Genesis was written in such a way as to indicate that both the qualities of male and female together present a more complete picture.

I dont think animals have gender.

The action or the attraction?

People (believers) think sexual orientation is the "temptation" to lust; there is no love involved because love to them is based on one's sex more so than one's spirit in christ. Believers see same-sex action is a sin because they assume if two men or two women come together, they want to lust after each other while a man and a woman want's to make love. So, that bias distorts sexual behavior and how sexual behavior motives can be based on many reasons from spiritual, marital, to lust, and such. They're not focused on the couple's intent, just their sex-so that's why it's a sin.



That's another factor, yes. Though many believers accept partnerships and civil unions but they don't want gay couples to consider themselves married. I can see it if the gay couple where christian but believers tend to think of it for all people not just for their peers.



Civil unions and marriage are different in their intent and definition of connection between both parties. The word marriage is irrelevant (just as one's sex) to the nature of the marriage-the commitment between two people. As christians, regardless their sex, I would assume marriage would be ideal for people who want to commit to each other in a life long relationship.

My issue is how does one's sex deprive couples of this?

Maybe their heart? Whether they are christian or not? But their sex???

Since Christians dont believe gay couples can be married, I wasn't talking about if a gay couple was married, I was talking about any kind of gay relationship being a sin directly or indirectly because they arent husband and wife.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

The Bible doesn't contradict itself.

In genesis, humanity is punished for wanting to be like God but in the NT, Jesus specifically told us to be like God.

For starters

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Since Christians dont believe gay couples can be married, I wasn't talking about if a gay couple was married, I was talking about any kind of gay relationship being a sin directly or indirectly because they arent husband and wife.

No. Christians separate commitment based on their sex. If it's a civil union, they really are neutral about it and some support. If it's under the name marriage, it's a sin and one's sex is the determinant.

Since two men and two women can't get married according to christians, it would be directly and indirectly a sin to be in a relationship both if they were or were not husbands or wives. But those opposite sex can be in a committed relationship before marriage and it's not a sin. It's only a sin if there is sex outside of marriage-so in straight people's case, it's about commitment and the intention of intimacy while they feel two men or two women do not have that type of commitment as straights and definitely not if they take up the word marriage.

Everything depends on each other for the question to make sense (if I got it).

 

[Skywalker]

No. Christians separate commitment based on their sex. If it's a civil union, they really are neutral about it and some support. If it's under the name marriage, it's a sin and one's sex is the determinant.

Since two men and two women can't get married according to christians, it would be directly and indirectly a sin to be in a relationship both if they were or were not husbands or wives. But those opposite sex can be in a committed relationship before marriage and it's not a sin. It's only a sin if there is sex outside of marriage-so in straight people's case, it's about commitment and the intention of intimacy while they feel two men or two women do not have that type of commitment as straights and definitely not if they take up the word marriage.

Everything depends on each other for the question to make sense (if I got it).

Since they dont think people of the same gender can get married, either way they arent husband and wife, which is why either way they think its wrong because they arent husband and wife. People are neutral about civil unions between unmarried straight people, which supports what I said about people think its wrong because they arent husband and wife.

Committment to the degree of texting for hours or travelling or living together or unisex wedding parties is not accepted by Christians.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Since they dont think people of the same gender can get married, either way they arent husband and wife, which is why either way they think its wrong because they arent husband and wife. People are neutral about civil unions between unmarried straight people, which supports what I said about people think its wrong because they arent husband and wife.

That's a huge reason because gay people aren't husbands or wifes. Even if christians allowed gay people to use the word marriage, it would still be wrong. Christians also think that two same-sex people committed have nothing else to give each other but lust, sex, as the intention of their sexual intimacy; so, gay people are deemed sinners (for that particular reason) even before they get married. They're "doomed" either way.

Committment to the degree of texting for hours or travelling or living together or unisex wedding parties is not accepted by Christians.

Commitment meaning marital. Many people cort before they marry but it's not always done in the States though I find it traditional when done so. My lesbian friend courted her girlfriend before they offecially dated. They known each other for two years and are christians and plan to marry if things go well. The only problem with their marriage is their sex-nothing more. Though, both love christ and feel god knows them more than any other christian, and as a couple they are doing what god wants them to do in their commitment before and after they are married.

Like straight people, there are different perspectives on relationships and commitments. If going by christian teachings, christians are very particular when it comes to definitions. Always determinant on sex not the nature of the commitment, who the parties believe in, their spirit of commitment, and their relationship with god. Just their sex (and whether they marry). I'm glad my friend isn't affected by that too much. Many people are. Causes more harm than good-and people leave christ because of it.

 

[Skywalker]

That's a huge reason because gay people aren't husbands or wifes. Even if christians allowed gay people to use the word marriage, it would still be wrong. Christians also think that two same-sex people committed have nothing else to give each other but lust, sex, as the intention of their sexual intimacy; so, gay people are deemed sinners (for that particular reason) even before they get married. They're "doomed" either way.



Commitment meaning marital. Many people cort before they marry but it's not always done in the States though I find it traditional when done so. My lesbian friend courted her girlfriend before they offecially dated. They known each other for two years and are christians and plan to marry if things go well. The only problem with their marriage is their sex-nothing more. Though, both love christ and feel god knows them more than any other christian, and as a couple they are doing what god wants them to do in their commitment before and after they are married.

Like straight people, there are different perspectives on relationships and commitments. If going by christian teachings, christians are very particular when it comes to definitions. Always determinant on sex not the nature of the commitment, who the parties believe in, their spirit of commitment, and their relationship with god. Just their sex (and whether they marry). I'm glad my friend isn't affected by that too much. Many people are. Causes more harm than good-and people leave christ because of it.

If they dont think its husband and wife even if they are married, then the issue is either way gay is a quasi marital relationship and thats why its a sin. I say they because even though im a Christian I dont want to sound argumentative.

in the movie the awakening hate someone was upset that their boyfriends cousin was socializing with their boyfriend for more than a certain amount of time.